12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Cloxxki]

What if the 1st stage is mounted from a spring, but the spring is restricted in its freedom of movement, i.e. having a maximum length? The peak of the CF pull would not go to the spring, but to the crossbar. The outer parts of it's swing will be spring-affected. I think we'd not want the spring to move at all laterally either.
Alternatively, the crossbar could be split up, and an eccentrical gear system doing the torque transfer.

Or, what if we could pully remove or even reverse the (small) horizontal displacement of the 1st stage via a smart box as a pivot? Acute dampening effect, or increased efficiency?

[Charlie_V]

Hmm are you sure about this, this sounds a bit like the common chaotic pendulum....
I've tried something very close to this, and it seems like it will only expand upon the original oscillation, giving it more weights to oscillate, but a dampening will act directly on the pendulum as a result of this.

Yes it is like a chaotic pendulum but when it is in parametric oscillating mod.  I'm not entirely sure what you mean though.  Do you mean dampening by adding more weight?  If you do that (add weight) you change the resonant frequency of the spring and it will no longer operate as a parametric oscillator (since the spring must have 2 times the frequency of the pendulum).  So I can see how it will disrupt the pendulum in that sense.  You would need a mechanism that damps the spring but doesn't change its resonant frequency.  Could you tell me more about this experiment you tried.  It might save me a lot of wasted time! 

So instead of allowing it go far when it makes work, we must give it a really high resistance (a huge load for example) so that there is little loss as a result of displacement, but a lot of work produced because of the force (work equals force times distance). So we just need to alter this relationship, and the hinge is an efficient way of doing it.

I think that would work too (and probably be easier haha). 

As a very practical way to make this all simpler and more efficient is to use it with water.
I called it a 2-stage hydraulic oscillator since I think the name fits very well.
It can soon be ready hopefully, my main problems lies in that I'm not to good with mechanics, not with the construction itself. It is really as simple as it can get, and uses the same centrifugal force used in the pendulum to provide a direct trust to the motor.

I can only guess what you mean here but using hydraulics sounds like a good idea.


@Cloxxki

Sorry Cloxxki, I'm not mechanically inclined enough to understand what you mean by the crossbar.

[Nabo00o]

I'll try to explain. In my simple experiments I used a spring with a weight instead of a pendulum.
Both the spring and the pendulum is a harmonic oscillator, which changes from kinetic to potential energy in every cycle, so they are pretty much identical. 

So I attached the spring to the hinge as normally done with the pendulum, but I also used springs to keep the hinge from falling to either side of the fulcrum support. The result was that when pendulum was in motion it oscillated back and forth with the hinge following the same pattern. If I put a hand on the hinge, both it and the pendulum would be dampened very quickly.

So it is not like directly connecting a pendulum to a spring (or a spring to a spring), but very close since the hinge is attached at both ends to the base with the other springs. (this is the best way I can explain it, it is not as complex as it might sound )


I can say that the hydraulic idea is as direct a feedback system as it can get. It is about using the high pressure in water that we get when we spin a bottle or pipe of water fast enough around, and then use that pressure directly through nozzles which will aid in the rotor's speed.
You can see two treads partly related to it here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4202-bernoulli-principal-vortex.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4348-water-turbine-project.html

There will be a loss of speed in the rotor just as in the pendulum when the water leaves the central axis, but it is only related to distance, and if this rotor is built up to high enough speed creating a huge centrifugal pressure, we can use a relative small nozzle and still create a powerful propulsion, aiding the rotors rotation. This is also a direct analogue of increasing the load of the milkovic pendulum.


Btw sorry if this was more then you wanted, I have a tendency to write a lot more when it is something I'm interested in

Have a great day,
Julian

[Charlie_V]

I was following you up to this point:

but I also used springs to keep the hinge from falling to either side of the fulcrum support.

What do you mean by this?  The hinge is not the fulcrum? 

How is your setup different from this:
http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/applets/Intro_physics/kisalev/java/pend2/index.html

Sorry for my confusion,
Charles

[Nabo00o]

Oh I'm not really that good at explaining stuff, this should straight things up.