12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[tagor]

with 12 times more output than input why they can not close the loop ?

with 12 times more output than input ...
you can convert electrical energy in mecanical enegy with bad COP
then you can convert  mecanical enegy in heat with bad COP
then you can convert  heat in mecanical enegy with bad COP
then you can convert  mecanical enegy in electrical energy with bad COP
and so on ...
and to finish you get a COP > 1 ... so easy

[markdansie]

@Tagor
I agree with you let bury this puppy.
Mark

[Nabo00o]

Tagor, we might not yet have gotten there, but people are working to close the feedback loop.
I think it is a serious mistake to take mechanics and simple geometry as more limited than electricity and magnetism. It all constitutes particles, which together with forces that are yet to be completely understood governs the physical reality that we know.

Do not feel certain that Newton's laws works perfectly in every instance...

Take a spinning wheel for example, and then try to conserve the total momentum which was used to spin it.....  Spin is the law of nature

Julian

[Cloxxki]

Take a spinning wheel for example, and then try to conserve the total momentum which was used to spin it.....  Spin is the law of nature

Julian

I thought the CF was supposed to not be a real force, just a potential? Until the wheel gives way to it, there is no work downe. When the work is done, the CF falls away.
That's not to say I have conceeded, it's a puzzle solution that's been staring us in the face.

[Nabo00o]

I thought the CF was supposed to not be a real force, just a potential? Until the wheel gives way to it, there is no work downe. When the work is done, the CF falls away.
That's not to say I have conceeded, it's a puzzle solution that's been staring us in the face.

I'm not talking about centrifugal force, even if that is very interesting.
Newton's third law states that for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction.
Meaning that if you supposedly floated in space, and then threw some object away, the momentum that you gave it, because of the energy you expended, would also give you the same but opposite momentum. This could be your rescue if you were an astronaut who got lost from the ship....

However since there are supposedly no other forces to interact with in deep space, you should never be able to create such a motion which results in a total acceleration, without propelling some object away from you. And if you did trow something away (a wrench for example), conservation of momentum should cause the center of mass between you and the wrench to stay just the same as from the start (if no other forces interacts and change this).

Now.... What happens if the same astronaut applies a force in one direction to accelerate a wheel which he is holding? If momentum is conserved, then that force used to accelerate the wheel should also accelerate the astronaut in the opposite direction. But what has happened to the center of mass? Instead of equal amounts of momentum going in both directions away from each other, one is going forward while one is spinning around.

That astronaut could now even decelerate the wheel in opposite direction as when he accelerated it, and gain even more momentum in the same direction, actually the double of what he started with. He did work, then he collected the same work back again, but while doing so he also created a total acceleration without an opposite deceleration.

This is called a reaction-less drive and it is real. Gyroscopes has these kinds of qualities which allows them to do similar stunts. I would recommend you to check out Walter Lewin's lecture about gyroscopes on youtube, MIT is releasing most of their lectures for free there.


There is something more to matter then what simple mechanical physics is telling us.....
Julian