12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[tagor]

Your statements are pretty accurate. I'm not sure were the 12 times slogan came from, But, I do believe that You are comparing apples to oranges...

The device shown by Milkovic needs gravity on both sides (or spring tension on the output) of the system to do any kind of WORK. Gravity is the medium, so its not simply an issue of removing weight from the output side to a shelf were it would then have a potential (non working) state, that would be equivalent to taking the device out of a gravitational field (its medium) and expecting it to still work.  It simply wont work without gravity any more than it would work without pushing the pendulum into a swing. Yes, gravity causes the acceleration AND deceleration of the pendulum, but the Gain (kinetic gain that is) comes from the increased Apparent Mass of the pendulum. The increase comes from Centrifugal Force caused by the angular momentum of the pendulum mass at its maximum speed at the bottom of its swing. Since gravity is what causes the pendulum to accelerate to a speed where centrifugal forces are significant, no energy need be input into the system, short of that required to start and maintain the pendulum  amplitude.  On ether side of the swing however the pendulum mass goes into free fall and so it looses Apparent Mass.  Therefore on the input side of the 2nd stage you get an Apparent Mass Extra Heavy/Apparent Mass Nil cycle. The Work that can be performed by the 2nd sage as a result of this cycle is greater that that required to maintain the 1st stage pendulums amplitude at a desirable swing level.

LOL
are you serious ?

[Cloxxki]

Your statements are pretty accurate. I'm not sure were the 12 times slogan came from, But, I do believe that You are comparing apples to oranges...

The device shown by Milkovic needs gravity on both sides (or spring tension on the output) of the system to do any kind of WORK. Gravity is the medium, so its not simply an issue of removing weight from the output side to a shelf were it would then have a potential (non working) state, that would be equivalent to taking the device out of a gravitational field (its medium) and expecting it to still work.  It simply wont work without gravity any more than it would work without pushing the pendulum into a swing. Yes, gravity causes the acceleration AND deceleration of the pendulum, but the Gain (kinetic gain that is) comes from the increased Apparent Mass of the pendulum. The increase comes from Centrifugal Force caused by the angular momentum of the pendulum mass at its maximum speed at the bottom of its swing. Since gravity is what causes the pendulum to accelerate to a speed where centrifugal forces are significant, no energy need be input into the system, short of that required to start and maintain the pendulum  amplitude.  On ether side of the swing however the pendulum mass goes into free fall and so it looses Apparent Mass.  Therefore on the input side of the 2nd stage you get an Apparent Mass Extra Heavy/Apparent Mass Nil cycle. The Work that can be performed by the 2nd sage as a result of this cycle is greater that that required to maintain the 1st stage pendulums amplitude at a desirable swing level.

This all seems plausible.
From a small 1st stage, a large 2nd stage is brought into movement, oscillation actually. No work is being done, as the 2nd stage is dependent on the 1st one. And the 1st stage, will reduce in amplitude the moment the 2nd stage is asked to do any kind of work. Lift a weight, press a light button, anything is too much, the system will come to a halt.
We get to see a great show of moving weights, but they're in such an odd balance, that nett, nothing it happening apart from the hand inputting energy (highly efficiently) via tapping the first stage.
I'll repeat. When I'm convinced there is work to be taken out without the 1st stage slowing down proportionately, I'll make a device for the betterment of mankind to make use of the principle.
The famous water pump works nicely, but is based on peak load from CF, overcoming stiction in the pump itself, I'm pretty sure. An ingenous application, but not OU. There's not so much water being pumped up, and not very high.

[MoRo]

LOL
are you serious ?

I don't understanding your LOL. I ment that the user doesn't have to accelerate the mass himself to get the centrifugal force. Gravity does that for him.

[MoRo]

This all seems plausible.
From a small 1st stage, a large 2nd stage is brought into movement, oscillation actually. No work is being done, as the 2nd stage is dependent on the 1st one. And the 1st stage, will reduce in amplitude the moment the 2nd stage is asked to do any kind of work. Lift a weight, press a light button, anything is too much, the system will come to a halt.
We get to see a great show of moving weights, but they're in such an odd balance, that nett, nothing it happening apart from the hand inputting energy (highly efficiently) via tapping the first stage.
I'll repeat. When I'm convinced there is work to be taken out without the 1st stage slowing down proportionately, I'll make a device for the betterment of mankind to make use of the principle.
The famous water pump works nicely, but is based on peak load from CF, overcoming stiction in the pump itself, I'm pretty sure. An ingenous application, but not OU. There's not so much water being pumped up, and not very high.

Oscillations ARE the RESULT of energy input. If you don't put energy in, you won't have oscillations.

You will phisically expend more energy oscillating stage 2 using your own energy than if you use your energy to keep the pendulum oscillating and allow the centrifugal force gain to oscillate stage 2.

[Cloxxki]

Oscillations ARE the RESULT of energy input. If you don't put energy in, you won't have oscillations.

You will phisically expend more energy oscillating stage 2 using your own energy than if you use your energy to keep the pendulum oscillating and allow the centrifugal force gain to oscillate stage 2.

So, you need to put the energy in to get the oscillation. But when you stop the oscillation, the energy doesn't come out?
I believe the jury is still out on whether energy is really stored in 2nd stage oscillator, when it's impossible to retrieve it, and constant input on the 1st stage is required to keep it going.