12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[johnny874]

Hi Jim,

Let's start by seeing the example as it is. 1G we get for free, the scale is placed level. That's 1kg right there.

Then, the CF part.
I am going to presume a high speed spin on the wheel. 5m/s at 0,25m from the axle (not a very big wheel, weight sitting against wheel). I am expecting violence from that, having some cycling experience.


Wiki gave me:

Fc= (m*v²)/r
Fc= (1 * 5²)/0.25 = 100N
100N ~ 10kg.
Plus the one for a vertically placed scale, makes ~11kg of scale pressure.

I tend to mess up math, so please correct me.

Please note the difference between KE from an earth's free fall and the CF from a weight taking a sharp turn.
Consider that a weight falling to a little wheel at 5m/s downward, and existing 5m/s upward, accelerated vertically in the time it takes to make half a revolution. Wet finger in the wind math: pi*0.25=0,8m on the wheel during half revolution, or 0.16s. Average (!) vertical acceleration is 10/0.16=60m/s or >5x G extra on top of the 5m/s it had.

My gut tells me the peak pressure at top bottom, in fact identical to the constantly spun weight, will amount to twice the acceleration because often 2's end up in useful formulae. I'd have to dig it up, though, but there'd offer the 11 figure I found above for you. :-)

Calculating back the velocity Neptune's wheel was spinning for you is a matter of reversing the formula. I am getting ~2.73m/s right now.

Fc= (1*2.73²)/.25=7.5*4=30N (~3kg). Add the 1kg for the level scales and there's your 4kg peak pressure.

   Cloxxki,
Correct me if I am wrong, but are we posting in a gravity powered section ? If so, hand spinning does not help to understand whether or not things work.

[neptune]

HI Guys , well if nothing else , I stirred up a hornets nest here , or shall we better say ,stimulated some lively controversy and discussion , which as long as there is no name-calling , which is the case , then this can only be a positive thing . The wheel was only allowed to spin under the influence of gravity .
      I will be the first to admit that the experiment was less than perfect . The weight consisted of 8 microwave oven magnets near the rim on a 26 inch wheel . The real problem was that the scales only supported the handlebar , and the seat was on the ground acting as a pivot . The bike was so unstable in this position that I actually had to support it a bit with my hand . What a crap experiment , you will say . But the point is that I actually did the experiment .I have nothing but admiration for Mathematicians . My problem is with mathematical theories that have no relationship with what happens in the real world . Virtually everyone has access to a bicycle and a bathroom scale . If you have nothing else to improvise a !KG weight , use a plastic bag of sand , or a 1 Litre bottle of water . If you think my set up was imperfect , which it was , then improve on it . Get a result . And then , if you so desire , write pages and pages of formulae to support your results . The more actual experiments that are done , the more reliable the data . What do you say , fellows ?
Regards , Ken .

[johnny874]

HI Guys , well if nothing else , I stirred up a hornets nest here , or shall we better say ,stimulated some lively controversy and discussion , which as long as there is no name-calling , which is the case , then this can only be a positive thing . The wheel was only allowed to spin under the influence of gravity .
      I will be the first to admit that the experiment was less than perfect . The weight consisted of 8 microwave oven magnets near the rim on a 26 inch wheel . The real problem was that the scales only supported the handlebar , and the seat was on the ground acting as a pivot . The bike was so unstable in this position that I actually had to support it a bit with my hand . What a crap experiment , you will say . But the point is that I actually did the experiment .I have nothing but admiration for Mathematicians . My problem is with mathematical theories that have no relationship with what happens in the real world . Virtually everyone has access to a bicycle and a bathroom scale . If you have nothing else to improvise a !KG weight , use a plastic bag of sand , or a 1 Litre bottle of water . If you think my set up was imperfect , which it was , then improve on it . Get a result . And then , if you so desire , write pages and pages of formulae to support your results . The more actual experiments that are done , the more reliable the data . What do you say , fellows ?
Regards , Ken .

  Doubt it was gravity powered. If you check the first post which Stefan did, there is a link to a discussion about what you say you understand. It is the basis for the TSO. I have visited his web site and while he wondered how to loop back any gain, he at no time claimed to be pursuing OU.
What he realized is that cf increased the efficiency of a weight on a  pendulum which allowed it to operate hand pumps more efficiently. For his work, he did receive recognition.
As for myself, I do have a legit build I am doing which will work much better than this even though you disagree. And it is by considering math before building that helped me to understand how the different forces might best be used. Your way is to vague. No pictures or videos. You rely on everyone else to fill in your blanks so you can say, you've learned what I knew. You and AB Hammer would get along great. You both reject engineering and math. Bye

[neptune]

@Johnny874 .What a strange post ! I have no doubt whatever that it was gravity powered , and I had the distinct advantage of being there at the time . I rely on everyone else to fill in my blanks ? Is that not what this forum is about . Any claims that I make , I am never pedantic , and am willing to learn . No pictures or videos ? When I build something worth showing , I will show it . I have never knowingly rejected engineering or mathematics . Until I lost the sight of my left eye , I made my living as a self employed Engineer . You have a legitimate build even though I disagree ? How can I disagree since as far as I know you have shown neither pictures nor videos . My way is too vague ? My way is limited by the state of my health and lack of finances . My way is my way and your way is your way . There is room for different approaches . There is nothing to be gained by animosity . I shall continue with my experiments as I see fit , and of course people are free to agree or disagree with the results as they see fit . Regards , Ken .

[johnny874]

  Neptune,
I have shown pictures of what I am working on. Always have.
I have the same problems you do. No one has ever allowed me to use them as an excuse.
                                                                                                                                                        Jim

edited to add: Neptune, when i was going through chemo and radiation therapy, I was the only person building. I did not let cancer stop me from what I had started and this is why I am going to finish this build of mine as I am able. The details will be important. It will after all be a machine.