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Overunity Machines Forum



12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

Started by hartiberlin, November 30, 2006, 06:11:41 PM

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FreeEnergy

did anyone look at my last post.  the kick is different from what i was talking about before. so if you haven't looked please do so.


peace

Dingus Mungus

I looked last night but it appeared to be a glitch.
I'll check it out again tonight...

A little hint to save time though... If there is a physical constraint anomely, followed by a spike in kinetic energy or speed... Its a glitch. This 2 arm rigid balance system does not work correctly and is the source of these glitch pulses... Look for yourself and be honnest with yourself, you can clearly tell weather its slowly losing energy or if its magically creating it due to bad design... Basically what I'm trying to say is your last few examples have all been glitches based on the same mechanical glitch everytime... Time for a new approach.

~Dingus

a19grey

Quote from: Dingus Mungus on January 29, 2007, 05:01:35 PM

I think you are overlooking the biggest whole in your argument... If the pendulum on the lever is introduced with no kinetic energy, then the net kinetic energy for the whole device is zero. 
To debate this you don't need to prove a negitive, just that we are somehow giving more energy to one pendulum then the other.

While, yes, you are giving both pendulums the same initial Kinetic energy and therefore both systems have the same total kinetic energy to begin with, they have different Potential energies.  The pendulum-lever system has far more initial Gravitational Potential energy than the simple pendulum. This is, trivially, due to the presence of the lever. The lever has mass and is in a gravitational field and therefore has some potential energy associated with it. This gravitational potential energy is, at times, exchanged for the kinetic energy of various parts of the system. So, although you don't put in any more kinetic energy into either of the systems, the pendulum-lever system can, at times, have more kinetic energy than the simple pendulum.  The simplest example of this exhange between potential and kinetic- i.e. where there is no kinetic energy input, but the Kinetic energy increases- is the dropping of a ball. The ball falls and exchanges gravity-energy for kinetic energy. Of course, our system here is more like a really good bouncy ball since the system then 'bounces back' and exhanges kinetic energy for potential.

Yes, Mingus, at least we can all agree on that. We're all looking for truth. 

Dingus Mungus

Ok we're on the right track now.

First can we also agree that eventually the pendulum/lever will fully reset itself with the exeption of loading the pendulum, just like a stationary penulum would? Which would mean the only energy required to start again would be loading the pendulum.

Next can we agree that since gravity and not the user is adding kinetic energy to both the lever and the pendulum, that this device puts out more kinetic energy then you put in?

with a 'd' please,
~(D)ingus

allcanadian

This seems like the same old merry go round, people saying it will work because a simulation says it will, others saying it can't because there textbook tells them so. In the end you have to build a model and play with it, anything less is just opinion which amounts to approximately nothing. I can't wait until steorn drops his bomb on the scientific community so we can put the critics to bed, then we can finally talk about how and not if these machines will work.
In any case keep up the good work.
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