12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[ltseung888]

Please show ANY device using gravity as an 'energy source' producing MORE energy out than in; using unbalance will not matter.

@memoryman, Bill, MarkE,

One example of leading-out gravitational energy via Unbalanced Wheel and Centrifugal Force is the William Skinner device in 1939 driven by 1/8 horse power motor and cotton thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIRaJlTD4Y

I shall focus on the class of lead-out energy machines.  If these machines can lead-out or bring-in energy from the environment, the Law of Conservation of Energy will not be violated.  The correct Formula in the case of gravity is:
Einput + Egravity = Eoutput + Eloss
or
Eoutput = Einput + (Egravity - Eloss)

So long as Egravity is greater than Eloss, Eoutput will be greater Einput. 

The problem changes from producing the impossible perpetual motion machine to producing a lead-out energy machine.

The Raymond Head (RHEAD100) video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8) showed that the Weight W1 was lifted twice with each finger push.  This was the result of the Centrifugal Force plus the weight of the pendulum producing a varying clockwise moment.  When it was greater than the anti-clockwise moment of the weight W1, the lever tilted higher on the LHS.  The weight was lifted.  When it is smaller, the lever tilted higher on the RHS - returned to original position.

Notice that the original position (state) was reproduced with the finger push.  The energy used in the finger push is much smaller than the energy required to lift the weight W1.

From the energy point of view, the Output was m1gh.  Some of this Output was fed back to return the pendulum bob to the original position. That energy was m2gh.  Thus there was a difference of (m1-m2)gh.  If properly configured, this value would still be much more than that supplied by the finger push.  Where did this energy come from?

Another experimental observation was that the pendulum swing amplitude did not decrease.  Thus the excess energy was not transferred from the pendulum swing.

One scientific explanation was- energy was lead-out or brought-in from the gravitational field.

Thus the Milkovic 2SO is a lead-out gravitational energy device.  The Chan Wheel is a superset of Milkovic. I have the Chan Wheel in Taipo, Hong Kong. I can claim to have a working lead-out energy device in my possession...
If the Unbalanced Chan Wheel can bring-in gravitational energy, the Unbalanced Cylinder Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier can do better. 

The 57 QMOGENs compiled by Sterling Allan are all theoretically possible...

We are in the process of contacting the Taiwan Maglev of the Taiwan Edison Group.  Their invention was shown on Taiwan TV in July 2014.

The two most convincing QMOGENs videos on youtube are WITTS and YMNEE.  Both require reasonable rotational speed as expected from the Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory.  (Centrifugal Force varies as the square of angular velocity.)

I shall use this reply 2826 to answer all future questions on whether lead-out energy machines exists.

[memoryman]

you are confusing force and energy.
"I can claim to have a working lead-out energy device in my possession..." you can claim all you want; being able to demonstrate your claim with objective proof is something entirely different...
"The 57 QMOGENs compiled by Sterling Allan are all theoretically possible..." no, they are not.

[Pirate88179]

@memoryman, Bill, MarkE,

One example of leading-out gravitational energy via Unbalanced Wheel and Centrifugal Force is the William Skinner device in 1939 driven by 1/8 horse power motor and cotton thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIRaJlTD4Y

I shall focus on the class of lead-out energy machines.  If these machines can lead-out or bring-in energy from the environment, the Law of Conservation of Energy will not be violated.  The correct Formula in the case of gravity is:
Einput + Egravity = Eoutput + Eloss
or
Eoutput = Einput + (Egravity - Eloss)

So long as Egravity is greater than Eloss, Eoutput will be greater Einput. 

The problem changes from producing the impossible perpetual motion machine to producing a lead-out energy machine.

The Raymond Head (RHEAD100) video showed that the Weight W1 was lifted twice with each finger push.  This was the result of the Centrifugal Force plus the weight of the pendulum producing a varying clockwise moment.  When it was greater than the anti-clockwise moment of the weight W1, the lever tilted higher on the LHS.  The weight was lifted.  When it is smaller, the lever tilted higher on the RHS - returned to original position.

Notice that the original position (state) was reproduced with the finger push.  The energy used in the finger push is much smaller than the energy required to lift the weight W1.

From the energy point of view, the Output was m1gh.  Some of this Output was fed back to return the pendulum bob to the original position. That energy was m2gh.  Thus there was a difference of (m1-m2)gh.  If properly configured, this value would still be much more than that supplied by the finger push.  Where did this energy come from?

Another experimental observation was that the pendulum swing amplitude did not decrease.  Thus the excess energy was not transferred from the pendulum swing.

One scientific explanation was- energy was lead-out or brought-in from the gravitational field.

Thus the Milkovic 2SO is a lead-out gravitational energy device.  The Chan Wheel is a superset of Milkovic. I have the Chan Wheel in Taipo, Hong Kong. I can claim to have a working lead-out energy device in my possession...
If the Unbalanced Chan Wheel can bring-in gravitational energy, the Unbalanced Cylinder Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier can do better. 

The 57 QMOGENs compiled by Sterling Allan are all theoretically possible...

We are in the process of contacting the Taiwan Maglev of the Taiwan Edison Group.  Their invention was shown on Taiwan TV in July 2014.

Lawrence:

You did notice in that video link that you posted that there was indeed an electric MOTOR that was plugged into the grid driving that?
If indeed he got out all of the energy claimed vs input energy...then why does he need that motor at all?  Should it not be able to run itself then?

Do you see why we are all skeptical about these things?  He claimed 1200% more out than in.  Surely this would be way more than needed to run itself then right?

By the way...that 1/8 HP motor in the video was more like a 3 hp motor but...no matter.  1200% more out than in would easily allow you to loop the machine and you would not need any motor right?  1939 and we are still waiting.

Why?

Because, it does not work.

Bill

[sarkeizen]

Please show ANY device using gravity as an 'energy source' producing MORE energy out than in; using unbalance will not matter.

...or elastic bands.  Seriously what effect of gravity can't be emulated with elastic bands?

[noonespecial]

"Please show ANY device using gravity as an 'energy source' producing MORE energy out than in; using unbalance will not matter."
...or elastic bands.  Seriously what effect of gravity can't be emulated with elastic bands?