12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Farmhand]

I'm assuming you are in the UK Bill. That's a pretty good graft the neighbor has going there but your beef should be with the Legislators that implemented the benefits scheme, not the neighbor, it's human nature to take advantage of opportunities that will benefit the self, and he's right, life is too short. But we all know it matters not who is in government, the neighbor still gets his benefits. What does that tell you. All the people that voted are OK with it ? Or the system does not respond to voting pressure about the issue ? Or the people don't make it an issue ?

Truth is the way the world is going it is just not possible to employ everybody. Truth is no one should be working for anyone else if they want to be really free. Truth is that the current system needs unemployment to be between 4 and 6% for it to work properly. If the unemployment rate gets too low then there is lots of work and many jobs going but difficult to find workers so the employer loses leverage over the workers, the workers can demand more money and if the employer won't pay the worker can leave. If the Unemployment rate gets too high then the opposite happens which is much more preferable to employers and business and also as a result for government revenue from economic growth.

We should be aiming for zero economic growth which might be sustainable with no lowering of conditions ect. Economy cannot grow forever, so any plan involving economic growth is temporary and lacking.

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[Pirate88179]

I'm assuming you are in the UK Bill. That's a pretty good graft the neighbor has going there but your beef should be with the Legislators that implemented the benefits scheme, not the neighbor, it's human nature to take advantage of opportunities that will benefit the self, and he's right, life is too short. But we all know it matters not who is in government, the neighbor still gets his benefits. What does that tell you. All the people that voted are OK with it ? Or the system does not respond to voting pressure about the issue ? Or the people don't make it an issue ?

Truth is the way the world is going it is just not possible to employ everybody. Truth is no one should be working for anyone else if they want to be really free. Truth is that the current system needs unemployment to be between 4 and 6% for it to work properly. If the unemployment rate gets too low then there is lots of work and many jobs going but difficult to find workers so the employer loses leverage over the workers, the workers can demand more money and if the employer won't pay the worker can leave. If the Unemployment rate gets too high then the opposite happens which is much more preferable to employers and business and also as a result for government revenue from economic growth.

We should be aiming for zero economic growth which might be sustainable with no lowering of conditions ect. Economy cannot grow forever, so any plan involving economic growth is temporary and lacking.

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I am in Kentucky, USA.

The average welfare patron here gets $35,000/year in combined benefits.  In Washington, DC that figure climbs to over $50,000/year!!!  All for doing nothing.  I would agree with you about whose fault it is except I was raised to not expect something for nothing and that you had to work to earn what you needed/wanted.  That part of it is their fault.

But, I agree, why is the government taking my money and making me more poor than the folks getting that money? I work every day with no vacation or sick days and no benefits and earn less than half of what this moron is getting for free.  Now the IRS tells me I owe them several thousand dollars which includes fines for not having health insurance?  They already took 30% of my check each payday for taxes but, that is not enough.  My neighbor needs more money, so they will try to make me pay more.  Citizens will not put up with much more of this crap. It could get very bad.

Bill

[Farmhand]

It becomes a self feeding problem though because as the cost of living rises for the worker the worker works more, overtime, two jobs ect. to pay the bills, this causes less work for others or economic growth if jobs increase ect.

Truth is the people we elect have no idea how to run the show any other way, they fear the unemployed and the employed so they walk the line and play all sides which leads down a bad path, I think we are past the point of no return and it will only get worse faster.

The U.S. along with all major economies on Earth have huge debts that will never be repaid and the people that loaned them the money don't care either way.

If all the major economies owe money then where is the money and who loaned it to them ?

Name a major economy that runs a national profit any year ?

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Unfortunately when the worker gets paid for his work it is "funny money", at any given time it could become worthless anyway. Market manipulation will always ensure another recession and so forth. The entire system is BS.

I believe our governments are borrowing money that they cannot pay back at almost no interest. The taxpayer in three generations or so will be paying for most of the welfare now so don't feel too bad.

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[Pirate88179]

It becomes a self feeding problem though because as the cost of living rises for the worker the worker works more, overtime, two jobs ect. to pay the bills, this causes less work for others or economic growth if jobs increase ect.

Truth is the people we elect have no idea how to run the show any other way, they fear the unemployed and the employed so they walk the line and play all sides which leads down a bad path, I think we are past the point of no return and it will only get worse faster.

The U.S. along with all major economies on Earth have huge debts that will never be repaid and the people that loaned them the money don't care either way.

If all the major economies owe money then where is the money and who loaned it to them ?

Name a major economy that runs a national profit any year ?

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Unfortunately when the worker gets paid for his work it is "funny money", at any given time it could become worthless anyway. Market manipulation will always ensure another recession and so forth. The entire system is BS.

I believe our governments are borrowing money that they cannot pay back at almost no interest. The taxpayer in three generations or so will be paying for most of the welfare now so don't feel too bad.

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You are exactly correct on all points.

Bill

[allcanadian]

@Farmhand

Unfortunately when the worker gets paid for his work it is "funny money", at any
given time it could become worthless anyway. Market manipulation will always
ensure another recession and so forth. The entire system is BS.

You got that right, it is a system designed to enslave the user and they buy into it without question. Hell most practically beg for it and stand in line to become a slave, they call it the American way where they serve their country until they are aged then it leaves them for dead.
AC