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Overunity Machines Forum



12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

Started by hartiberlin, November 30, 2006, 06:11:41 PM

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Earl

For the builders and simulators:

I would like you to try "Earl's Idea".

This idea comes from analogical comparison to electrical circuits.
The traditional double axis oscillator is what an EE would call "single-ended".  It needs an electrical point as reference, usually ground.  The mechanical circuit is the same; it needs a point of reference, for example a metal frame or the ground.

My idea is to turn this "single-ended" mechanical mechanism into what an EE would call "differential or push-pull".  For the same output impedance, a differential circuit has twice the amplitude and 4 times the output power as a single-ended.

This means no mechanical reference more. You need two arms oscillating 180 degrees out of phase, and of course the same phase offset for the two pendulums or unbalanced discs.  My EE bones say that two continually rotating discs, each with a weight on the circumference, would be better than pendulums.  Pendulums need gravity, rotating unbalanced discs should not need gravity.

The two discs/pendulums are on the same end; when one is going up, the other is going down.  The power output is taken only between the two moving arms at some point along their length.

The two arms are only connected at their common pivot point, each on its own ball bearing.  This would be a convenient point to fix the two bearings together and to attach the whole machine to a suspension frame which rests on the ground.

The input power would be to 2 electromagnets, each fixed on one arm pulsing each disc / pendulum.  Output power would be for example a water compressor connected by very flexible tubing.

Instead of one arm being referenced to a fixed environment, the two arms are now only referenced to each other.  This is the reason for the term differential.  Who knows, this machine might be able to function (with rotating unbalanced discs) just as well laying on its side or in outer space?  It seems to me that such a machine might be independent of gravity.

What do you think?
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hansvonlieven

G'day Earl,

You mean something like this perhaps?



Hans von Lieven

For more information on this device http://www.keelytech.com/news.html and follow the link.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

Eddy Currentz

Quote from: Earl on November 09, 2007, 03:08:13 PM
For the builders and simulators:

I would like you to try "Earl's Idea".

This idea comes from analogical comparison to electrical circuits.
The traditional double axis oscillator is what an EE would call "single-ended".  It needs an electrical point as reference, usually ground.  The mechanical circuit is the same; it needs a point of reference, for example a metal frame or the ground.

My idea is to turn this "single-ended" mechanical mechanism into what an EE would call "differential or push-pull".  For the same output impedance, a differential circuit has twice the amplitude and 4 times the output power as a single-ended.

This means no mechanical reference more. You need two arms oscillating 180 degrees out of phase, and of course the same phase offset for the two pendulums or unbalanced discs.  My EE bones say that two continually rotating discs, each with a weight on the circumference, would be better than pendulums.  Pendulums need gravity, rotating unbalanced discs should not need gravity.

The two discs/pendulums are on the same end; when one is going up, the other is going down.  The power output is taken only between the two moving arms at some point along their length.

The two arms are only connected at their common pivot point, each on its own ball bearing.  This would be a convenient point to fix the two bearings together and to attach the whole machine to a suspension frame which rests on the ground.

The input power would be to 2 electromagnets, each fixed on one arm pulsing each disc / pendulum.  Output power would be for example a water compressor connected by very flexible tubing.

Instead of one arm being referenced to a fixed environment, the two arms are now only referenced to each other.  This is the reason for the term differential.  Who knows, this machine might be able to function (with rotating unbalanced discs) just as well laying on its side or in outer space?  It seems to me that such a machine might be independent of gravity.

What do you think?
I think it would work great.   :)
In fact, I'm almost finished building a rig very similar to what you described. This one is going to be powered manually, through a chain connected to both weights. The weights will be 180 degrees out of phase, on a balanced bar, and I'm taking the output off a third lever that extends down from the fulcrum (the center). I have it set up to swing a third weight in this arm too, but that's later.
I'll start off with just the two weights (10 lbs each) and see what happens. I'm thinking I may need a damping weight on the third leg. I'm hoping that the two weights can get into a resonance and provide some energy back to each other to help keep them rotating. This is where the energy gain should be.
There are a lot of variations that can be tried here. Eventually I want to add a fourth weight and see what happens when I spin the whole thing.
It'll be endless fun.  I'll post some pics if I get my #%$@&*# chain this weekend (been waiting 2 weeks).

Ted

PS, I'll let you know if it takes off.  ;)

hansvonlieven

G'day all,

Still along the same track but no longer a Milkovic device. In this design advantage is taken of centripetal forces only.

The use of counter-rotating weights generates a sinusoidal reciprocating force along the axis of the convergences.

The reciprocal movement thus caused moves a magnet inside a coil back and forth generating electricity.

Have fun with this one. And yes, this will work in space since it does not rely on gravity.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

CHANGE Australia

Hans,

you should do a podcast or something. you'd have at least one listener (me)

i esteem you highly for pursuing energy liberty.

take care and God bless.