12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[hansvonlieven]

I am sorry to have to rain on your parade Stefan, but it would appear someone is telling a few lies in relation to this device.

Below you will find some pictures of the pump he uses in his device which I have grabbed off the video.

The actual pump that is being used is an off the shelf item that had the pump handle removed so it could be adapted to his mechanism. The arm with the fulcrum that once held the pump handle is clearly visible in the detail top right. These type of pumps are all over the third world. The United Nations and various charitable organisations have installed hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of them in Africa India and so forth. I have seen, handled and repaired a number of them when I was working in those parts of the world.

There is no way a pump like this can bring up water from 12 meters deep. If you can get it to work at a depth of 5 meters you are doing well.

1200 liters per hour is 20 liters per minute, the equivalent of two standard buckets of water. There is no way a pump of this nature can do this, maybe half that but no more. Have a look in the pictures how thin the stream really is. You need a stream of water a lot better than that to fill even one bucket in one minute. Try it at home if you don't believe me.

This is NOT an independent replication by Miroslav Zupkov as claimed. The device was built for Milkovic who has been demonstrating it since 2002 at least. Miroslav Zupkov is Milkovic's offsider. If you watch some of his other movies you can see Milkovic introducing him as his associate.

At a 5 meter depth with say 500 liters per hour it does not look all that good anymore, does it?

Hans von Lieven

[tao]

Concerning actual electrical overunity, Milkovic did the test using the hand flashlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHln0xczRk8

He showed that using only one of the squeeze flashlights and moving the pendulum with it was rather easy to do, and that on the other end 9 squeeze flashlights where being lit up.

The above video with the flashlights and the video with the pump that you all have been talking about certainly look like overunity...

I know it might be hard to consider a strictly mechanical OU device, as it was/is for me, but it seems it might now be in our midst.

Time will most certainly tell...

[abassign]

@hansvonlieven

When I have seen the tape, a few months ago, also I thought it as you, but there are some points by to clarify:
An electric pomp varies water's quantity lifted in function of the depth. Before affirming what you tell, is good to look well at the diagrams with which every pomps is furnished.

For example:
http://www.lgpc.com/ProductFiles/SpecSheets/995117.pdf

This pump at 6 mt. flow 1.800 lt/h with 380 W of power!

If the Milkovic pump flow only 600 lt/h (is possible to think when look the film) end the meters are 6 (may be...) the equivalent electric pump power shuld be 100-120W...

If you observe the tape you will see that the pomp is operated by a finger with the ample movement of the arm, therefore the power engraved to the pendulum should not be small.
We try to calculate it:
1 mt * 2 kg of pressure for the 50% of the application time do around 20 J (20W/s)
If you want to try, tries to move a weight of 2 Kg, with an arm for 1 mt in gym apparatus and you understand how much work him test. Not only, but the structure that sustains the apparatus seems rather underdimension, therefore the efforts applied to it are not small, even if of harmonic nature. To pump the water with a similar pomp is a non small effort, that doesn't seem to be present from the tape, you notice that it uses only a finger, therefore you cannot push, in continuous way, for more than some kg.

Now, let watch the the following fact:

If you try to put in oscillation the pendulum, by lifting and lowering the arm, you will notice that the pendulum doesn't oscillate, If it oscillate is because the junction has some attrition.
When the pendulum is oscillating, this makes to move the arm. Then this apparatus seems a non reversing machine!

[hartiberlin]

We try to calculate it:
1 mt * 2 kg of pressure for the 50% of the application time do around 20 J (20W/s)
If you want to try, tries to move a weight of 2 Kg, with an arm for 1 mt in gym apparatus and you understand how much work him test.

He is not applying 2KG of pressure 1 Meter long.
He is just giving it a small tip each swing,
then the pendulum swings from itsself on.
So your figure of power is not correct.

Let us just say 2 Kg push for 10 cms,
so via the formular:
mxgxh= Energy
you get 2 Kg x 10 x 0.1= 2 Joules,
now devide this by about 2 for half a second is the force applied,
so you just get 1 Watts of input power
which looks fitting,if you look at his face and see, he is not sweating to
push the pendulum...

I guess with all the mechanical friction involved, also if he is only
pumping it up 5 Meters as Hans said, he is still in overunity mode...

[tinu]

@abassign,

Excellent photo capture!
It proves many points:
1. Look at his finger and notice how much it is back-curved. Try it with yours. You?ll se the force is substantial. He pushes hard.
2. Look at his shoulder and notice how much it is raised. Man is again pushing hard.
3. Look at the red weight. It may easily have 30kg. Look at the height it swings (it?s easy by taking the red lever as reference and compare the vertical distance with the length of his arms). It may swing for 35-40cm on vertical (pendulum radius). Do the math and you?ll see that the weight in its highest position stores maybe close to 100J. That?s quite a significant energy stored there and it came from a person that imparted it BEFORE the camera was turned on. It can probably be done with 1W if bearings are good enough but it will take 100s if no losses at all.
4. If he pushes with his finger with a pressure of only 2kg over the whole arc length, which is pi*r (about 1m, I confirm it hereby), this is indeed 20W. I?ve put myself to test and I found that I could not sustain easily 5kg lifting with one finger for 3minutes (the length of the video), that being roughly 50W. But if I let the finger rest (i.e. during the back swing) it is quite easy. Not comfortable though (hence the finger curvature and the raised shoulder) but doable.
5. Remember that even if not continuously pushed, the pendulum will keep swinging and the system will continue to work for some time due to stored energy.
6. Isn?t it interesting that the movie is not a continuous shooting but it?s made of short added sequences? I?d love to see the unedited version with the pendulum started from rest state followed by continuous pumping for several minutes and the water collected to appreciate its volume?

Cheers,
Tinu