12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[hartiberlin]

1200 liters per hour is 20 liters per minute, the equivalent of two standard buckets of water. There is no way a pump of this nature can do this, maybe half that but no more. Have a look in the pictures how thin the stream really is. You need a stream of water a lot better than that to fill even one bucket in one minute. Try it at home if you don't believe me.

This is NOT an independent replication by Miroslav Zupkov as claimed. The device was built for Milkovic who has been demonstrating it since 2002 at least. Miroslav Zupkov is Milkovic's offsider. If you watch some of his other movies you can see Milkovic introducing him as his associate.

At a 5 meter depth with say 500 liters per hour it does not look all that good anymore, does it?

Hi Hans,
to me the water stream coming out of pump looks okay and I can believe
that it is really 1200 Liters per hour.

But even if it would be just 500 Liters at 5 Meters deepth, that would require with an ideal
pump already 6,94 Watts.
But as the pump is not optimal and has lots of friction, I guess you would
need at least 10 Watts all the time.

But the guy never puts in 10 Watts with his arm.
As I calculated it is more like only around 1 to 2 Watts at maximum...

You also neglect, that one arm of the see-saw levers is longer, so it has
already a mechanical advantage.

[abassign]

 @hansvonlieven

Excellent the analysis, but it is not the motive for which the object proposed from... it has some strange properties.
I have said that the process is not reversing, or the movement of the arm doesn't influence the oscillation of the pendulum. Non only, the force applicate on the arm not influence the pendulum oscillation. Your clear scheme shows that or move of the arm provokes a move of the pendulum but the energy of the pendulum, at the end of the cycle, it is always nothing.
There is not a transfer of energy between the move of the arm and the pendulum, energy that the pendulum accumulates with visible oscillatory movement.
For instance, if the pendulum oscillates, and I stops the arm, the oscillatory energy in the pendulum remains. From the mechanical point of view, the pendulum is isolated in comparison to the arm, in the direction arm - > pendulum. Instead it is not isolated in the direction pendulum - > arm. The system operates as a sort of diode, the strength applied to the arm, for reaction, can't have influence on the pendulum oscillation.
In mechanics the systems to double pendulum are not often studied, in how much they ask for the calculation of chaotic systems. The study is often made with the theory of the impulse, but the results are always rather scarce, the chaotic systems are not predictable...

However I have wanted to calculate the water flow, it is a simple calculation to do, in how much it is hypothesized a flow of water that is accelerated by the gravity. During the descent, only for the first 10-50 cm, the flow is dominated by the gravity acceleration, therefore it is possible to deduce, through a simple equation, the section that should have the cylinder of water after a certain run.

For example:

0.3 mt is the distance where is possible, from the movie, look a flow water section
9.81 is gravity acceleration
x is the water cylinder diameter

1.2 (m3) is the pump water flow in 3600 seconds

1.2=3600 * (3.14 * (x/2)^2)*sqrt(9.81*0.3)
x we found 1,5 cm of cylinder water diameter

0.6 (m3) is the pump water flow in 3600 seconds

0.6=3600 * (3.14 * (x/2)^2)*sqrt(9.81*0.3)
x we found 1 cm of cylinder water diameter

Is not easy to measure the diameter of water flow, but this two measures are compatible with the film.
Observing where the base the pomp is set it is possible to understand if it deals with a well or of a cistern of harvest of the waters. If it is a cistern the depth it doesn't overcome the 2-3 meters, if a well the depth is surely great.

Note:
I have mistaken saying that a hand pomp cannot work besides the 7-8 mt of depth. it is only a problem of physical effort, there are hand pomp's that also go to 100 mt of depth.

Unfortunately in this moment I am making pure speculation, but it is believable that the depth of the water both among the 12-15 mt, otherwise the pomp would not succeed in working and the 4 meters, otherwise water would be filtered by the ground.

Six meter of deep my be a less value hypothesis.
Ten meter of deep my be a hight value hypothesis.

At this point it is possible to get a whole hypothesis related to the necessary power to pomp the water:

6 mt - 0,6 m3/h -> 10W with a pump eff. 50% -> 20W
6 mt - 1,2 m3/h -> 20W with a pump eff. 50% -> 40W

10mt - 0,6 m3/h -> 16W with a pump eff. 50% -> 32W
10mt - 1,2 m3/h -> 32W with a pump eff. 50% -> 64W

[capthook]

Man - what a thread!!  Took hours to read it all.  GOOD STUFF  

Is it COP>1 ?  Sure seems to be more work done ie. pumping water than energy input ie. hand flick.

The believers make some great arguments - as do the skeptics.

12:1 ?  2:1 would great.  No matter the case - I agree the problem comes with the irregularity of the pulses and syncing them up to create a working OU system.  Lot's of cool ideas presented. 

(I like Hans' airpump diagram  )

At this point - I believe OU could be possible with his device - just a matter of engineering the loop??  Wish the inventor showed some good measurements.....
AND wish we could read some of his patents in full....

Anyone have English versions of his full patents relating to these devices?? 


CH

[capthook]

A screen shot from one of his videos (Universal Two-State Mechanical Oscillator -- A Mechanical Amplifier - near the end) showing a (split-second view) of a diagram of what appears to be an attempt by the inventor to close the loop.

Looks like a piston driving a wheel, powering a generator, powering an electro-magnet repulsing the pendulum at the far right swing.

[capthook]

Hans - (or anyone) 

I've tried to implement a "spiral" cog like this... always results in too much friction as well as a "braking effect" on the transition.
Any recommendations on an ideal way to do this?  Materials to use?  etc?  Have you implemented this design component before?  Successfully?

Many thanks in advance,

CH