12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[nightlife]

I don't know why this design wasn't used. If it produces 12 times the energy used then it should produce 12 times the power used to fire a coil to repel a swinging magnet. The posted picture is just one of many ways this could be utilized if it indeed does work as it is said to work. I think if it was timed right, it should put out a continuous flow.
It would only take one pulse to get two revolutions. It's like a two stroke motor but with two compressions instead of one. It should be very easy to build.

[shruggedatlas]

I don't know why this design wasn't used. If it produces 12 times the energy used then it should produce 12 times the power used to fire a coil to repel a swinging magnet. The posted picture is just one of many ways this could be utilized if it indeed does work as it is said to work. I think if it was timed right, it should put out a continuous flow.
It would only take one pulse to get two revolutions. It's like a two stroke motor but with two compressions instead of one. It should be very easy to build.

I believe the principle of the Milkovic design is that it produces 12 times the energy used, but only if there is no load.  If you try to put a load on, it immediately reverts to underunity mode.  You cannot trick it so easily, my friend.

[nightlife]

shruggedatlas, "I believe the principle of the Milkovic design is that it produces 12 times the energy used, but only if there is no load.  If you try to put a load on, it immediately reverts to underunity mode."

That doesn't make sense. As long as the load didn't equal more then 11 times the swinging force, it still should still work and be considered over unity.

[hartiberlin]

But look at these models... there are all the same...



By just adjusting the Dead Upper Center of the flywheel and reverse the rotation, i can lift the 50 Kg BLUE BOX on the right using 5.6 N force, and keep the flywheel rotating.  That's the upper left model.

On the upper right model, placing the flywheel on Dead Lower Center, and aplying the 5.6 N force to the center of the flywheel as the system should do... don't moves the weight.

On the down center model, i needed to apply 100 N of force to do what i have in the upper left model.

I am missing something?  Heres the model:  http://pabo.com.pa/joe/force2.wm2d

Heres the video 2.2 MB http://pabo.com.pa/joe/force2.avi

So what is your conclusion ?

Are you saying WM2D does not work ?

Also you have designed  something different, as your pendulum is not swinging,
but indeed your results with the left upper example are quite interesting !

Maybe you are using the centrifugal forces to get maximum force at the lower position of the moved
weight on the disc ?
Maybe this will be a method to use centrifugal forces in such a system ?

[Scorpile]

So what is your conclusion ?

Are you saying WM2D does not work ?

Also you have designed  something different, as your pendulum is not swinging,
but indeed your results with the left upper example are quite interesting !

Maybe you are using the centrifugal forces to get maximum force at the lower position of the moved
weight on the disc ?
Maybe this will be a method to use centrifugal forces in such a system ?

I think WM2D does works.

As you said, i had the conclusion that using centrifugal forces will allow us to apply a even smaller force to get maximum force at lower position, and the smaller force will be enough to keep the flywheel rotating.  I know will only give 1 pull per revolution, but that's not what i think we are testing here.

All 3 systems shows that the system is giving (the way i did) something like 17 times the input power, but i guess is because of the way the weights are arranged.

Because of that, Hans suggested that the "well balanced system" was what allows me to lift the 50kg weight, and even some bird fart will, but i did the other 2 system to prove he's worng.

About some other theories about restricting the system will make the pendulum loose power i will say that you (my dear Stefan) are right, because you pointed some post ago, that restricting the system is even better.

I found, the less the system moves, the less energy requiered to keep the flywheel to rotate.

I think Hans is right about energy transfer, but i think this system is a way to gain some energy from gravity trough centrifugal pull of pendulum instead of the torque gain (like torque wrench tools).

I will not get into controversy about all the physics or mechanics (sorry my english ) on the system, why not or why yes.

What i cannot test with w2dm is the generator part.  Using sproket system to rotate really fast some generator, instead of the 50 Kg weight to see if i can produce more than the 5.6 N i have in my system.