12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[astroshima]

Hello JBB:

Thanks for bringing these papers here. I am not math wizard, but I see some outstanding oversimplifications in your ideas, that might lead to very heated debate. Not telling that your conclusions are wrong, not at all, just that the numbers will be debated and probably for a long time, so I amsking you to take a step back and look at it from a bit more far to try and see what I might be refereing to.

Regards!

Man Help us all! Please tell us what you see!
What oversimplifications? I am not professor of physics. I am not even a student. But I see and "understand" Jovan's experiment. He is finally trying to use scientific measurements here! So please help us! Tell us what we can't or do not see!

[astroshima]

"It is also important to notice that, according to the energy conservation law; total
potential energy of the lifted weight is wasted on deforming the surface and heat emitted
into the surroundings, when the freefalling weight hits the surface."

Damn... I do not know physics well, but I think we could maybe have a problem here...
What if this whole system behaves like one big pendulum?

If we lift the pendulum weight and measure heights that it reaches we will also have "overunity" on a single pendulum weight itself! 
But as I remember from physics book that its not the case because of the "pendulum law" - forgive my ignorance if I made mistake!
Our "deforming the surface and heat emitted" in that case could be air resistance and sliding friction at pendulum joint point.

So (I think) the only way to prove "overunity" is to do real useful work on output end of the system and to measure it!
So we should put some generator or consumer and measure useful output work!

[Mr.Entropy]

MEASURING THE RATIO OF OUTPUT AND INPUT ENERGY OF THE TWO-STAGE MECHANICAL OSCILLATOR BY VELJKO MILKOVIÃ,,†:

"...Therefore, ratio of energy at the output and energy at the input is 22.89..."
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Your output measurement is incorrect.  Even when falling, the hammer is being held up to a large extent by the pendulum on the other end of the lever.  It therefore hits the anvil much more slowly than it would if it were falling freely, and delivers only a small part the potential that was stored by lifting it.

[AlanA]

Hi Jovan,

I am not in the position to doubt about your measurements. My question is: What con I do with Milkovics mechanical socillation system. For what is it good for? Is it possible to get energy form it? I think no one want to stand beside a pendulum and push them every 10 seconds?

[Kul_ash]

I am having trouble in digesting a concept that at the peak of pendulum swing, it will have "weightlessness". If the pendulum is weightless for say fraction of a second means PE = mgh  = 0 and KE = 0 and that all energy is totally taken out of pendulum system to provide work to the weight of hammer, then how does it get back the energy to run the system again and going down?
If pendulum is going down then it means it also gave away all its energy and generated enough energy again from no where to fall back. If you are calling inertia will take back the pendulum then if there is no mass, no PE, what is its value?
Also can any one tell me is any one ever closed this loop or is it still in theory only?