12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[2b]

i was amused by the device at first, and so i built one with some 2 liter bottles, one full, and one half-full.  and after reading some materials on the device, i noticed that everything was pretty much similar:

1. the pendulum weight is 2x the 'dead-weight'.

2. the pendulum weight is 1/2 the distance from the axis as the 'dead-weight'.

so, the system is already close to balanced, leverage wise.  and swinging the pendulum merely alternates between leveraging the load on the opposite side (mid-swing - with a little help of centrifical force provide by the hand), and allowing full gravitational force on the opposite side (the ends of each swing, where the pendulum is weightless).  so, i don't see what the big deal is now with this machine.

1. the machine is already near-balanced to begin with.

2. the force of the hand pushing the pendulum is approximately equal to the additional centrifical force used by the pendulum to lift the opposing side (the dead weight), plus the anti-gravitational force used by the pendulum to reach the end of its swing (where it then becomes weightless).

i don't see any free-energy here - only ordinary leverage and hand-force turned to centrifical force (pendulum mid-swing), and a force against gravity (pendulum at ends of the swing).

so what about the "flashlight proof" and all these measurements citing the pounds of force applied to the pendulum by the hand, and by the dead-weight to scales?

1. the flashlight proof is meaningless because, as previously stated, 10lbs of force can lift a 200lb man when leveraged properly; and with this device, the pendulum is leveraging things beyond what a static weight would do.

2. 'pounds' are pretty much meaningless as they are used - because the length of time and distance the pendulum is being accelerated by the applied force, and the length of time and distance the 'dead-weight' applies its force, are not being taken into account.  and as above, the action of the pendulums oscillating leveraging is not being taken into account.

[Kul_ash]

in other words ...

you need to use hydraulics to prove "over-unity" or "perpetual motion" with the Milkovic machine.  you might be able to improvise with 2 syringes, some tubing, & water.

hydraulics will also allow you to convert from a "small distance, large force" (the dead weight), to a "long distance, small force" (to push the oscillating weight).

Dear Friend
But won't that defeat the purpose of extracting large work from small input concept? You are extracting large work, converting it in to small work and then supplying it to the system again. What's the use? How will you extract additional energy?

[2b]

> But won't that defeat the purpose of extracting large work from small input concept? You are extracting large work, converting it in to small work and then supplying it to the system again. What's the use? How will you extract additional energy?

the purpose of using hydraulics is to prove that the machine can run itself perpetually, which it should be able to do if it outputs 12x more work than is input, as claimed.  hydraulics only transfer work, they don't modify the amount of it.  but hydraulics can be used to modify Force x Distance (Work), exchanging Force for Distance, and vice versa.

for example, a big fat syringe under the 'dead-weight' could push 1cc of water with only 1cm of travel - yet a thin syringe on the 'pedulum-weight' side might move 5cm when that 1cc of water enters into it.

it would be simple enough to do, and if someone wants to prove this machine can output more work than is input, they should do it.

[scorpion]

greetings of france, very interesting your forum dual m?canical oscillation system. I know that the movement is said impossible, but I made a replica of this dual oscillator, I tested the last few months, the first trials, I was very surprised by the vast power output compared to 'entry which seems to give 9 / 1 or more? I calculated many systems that could allocate a portion of energy to maintain the momentum of the pendulum, but it is not simple, because we need the impetus is given at the right time because the pendulum has not always the same amplitude, if the impetus comes too early cancels it, and if the momentum is behind it is useless because the clock ran away, we need a variable timing of the pulse amplitude of the following pendulum, it can be done mechanically compressing a spring when the weight falls, and return the relaxation of a clear system of levers or rods pendulum when he is at top dead centre, it requires that the pendulum has that triggers relaxation of the spring at the right time, when he began to descend, there must be a mechanical sensor position on the pendulum, which detects the exact top dead centre (which is variable!). pity that I did not much free time, because I like to invent small systems to adapt, improve, but I studied well before the construction and correct the defects on the plans before making a draft
But over the past few months that I observe, testing, conducts measures (simple) on this oscillator, overunity that seemed apparent at the beginning decreases steadily, I am pleased to have achieved.
I will still try my system, but with little hope of valid results? because I think he understood how this double oscillator .....
greetings to all, very happy to take your comments, maybe soon
(text translated into English by a translator; hopes legible)

[scorpion]

salutations de la france,tr?s int?ressant votre forum dual m?canical oscillation system . Je sais que le mouvement perp?tuel est dit impossible , mais j'ai fabriqu? une r?plique de ce double oscillateur, je le teste depuis quelques mois, aux premiers essais, j'ai ?t? tr?s surpris par la tr?s grande force de sortie par rapport ? l'entr?e qui parait donner 9/1 ou plus j'ai calcul? beaucoup de syst?mes qui pourraient renvoyer une partie de l'?nergie pour maintenir le mouvement du pendule,mais cela n'est pas simple ,car il faut que l'impulsion soit donn?e au bon moment car le pendule n'a pas toujours la m?me amplitude,si l'impulsion arrive trop en avance elle annule , et si l'impulsion est en retard elle ne sert ? rien car le pendule s'enfuit,il faut une synchronisation variable de l'impulsion suivant l'amplitude du pendule ,?a peut ?tre fait m?caniquement en comprimant un ressort quand le poids tombe,et renvoyer la d?tente du ressort par syst?mes de leviers ou bielles au pendule quand il se trouve au point mort haut ,il faut pour cela que se soit le pendule qui d?clenche la d?tente du ressort au bon moment, quand il commence ? descendre,il faut un capteur m?canique de position sur le pendule qui d?tecte avec pr?cision le point mort haut (qui est variable!!!) .Dommage que je n'ai pas beaucoup de temps libre ,car j'aime inventer des petits syst?mes  pour adapter ,am?liorer,mais je les ?tudie bien avant de les construire et rectifier les d?fauts sur les plans avant de r?aliser un projet
Mais depuis quelques mois que j'observe,teste,effectue des mesures (simple) sur cet oscillateur ,la overunity qui me semblait apparente au d?but d?croit sans cesse ,je suis cependant heureux de l'avoir r?alis?.
je vais quand m?me essayer mon syst?me , mais sans grand espoir de r?sultats valables??? car je crois avoir compris comment fonctionne ce double oscillateur.....
salutations ? tous, tr?s heureux de suivre vos commentaires,? bient?t peut-?tre