12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[hansvonlieven]

There is a big difference between able to do work and doing work. Able to do work is called potential energy. This is not the same as doing work. In your measurements you are not expending any energy and keep counting the same potential energy over and over again.

Hans von Lieven

BTW: No book but http://keelytech.com will have to do

[i_ron]

author=hansvonlieven

Hans von Lieven

BTW: No book but http://keelytech.com will have to do

Thanks for the link Hans, though I had my heart set on the
mylow book, lol

Ron

[i_ron]

There is a big difference between able to do work and doing work. Able to do work is called potential energy. This is not the same as doing work. In your measurements you are not expending any energy and keep counting the same potential energy over and over again.

Hans von Lieven

My dear professor No,

Not so.

I know what potential energy is, a pendulum in oporation by itself. In one of my examples I gave with the pendulum connected to a lever, fulcrumed at the mid point, this potential energy is transferred through to the other end of the arm and can be felt, observed, measured as a force. This is potential energy.

However when this PE, at the end of the secondary arm is allowed to displace a mas, work is done. You admit that work is done when this PE is allowed to displace a given mas of water, yet I am afraid you lost me when you state that when this same PE, if allowed to displace an equivalent mas of cast iron,  is not doing work? Is there a problem with your logic?

To avoid this sin wave, cycling problem you seem to have, let’s just take one .8 second frame for reference…the maintenance pulse required to maintain the pendulum in a steady state, from my exporiment, is 1.2499 Foot force. The output is 5.833 Foot force.

(1 Foot Force {foot pound} = 1.3558 Nm)

The pendulum’s potential energy has been converted to work at the end of the secondary arm in a favorable ratio of 4.66:1.

Ron

mis spel'ng to defeet the dreaded blue adds, lol

[Nabo00o]

Ron, I think Hans's main disagreement with you is that hitting a piece of iron with an hammer is not enough to conclude that the machine is doing actual work. His and others view is that energy will only be reflected back into the oscillation and thereby aid the pendulums oscillation.
I do not really agree with this because a lot of energy is lost from the hammer when it hits the iron or what ever you used, both as heat, vibration and sound. This will also happen very fast several times while the hammer is touching the ground, as it will be reflected back and fourth again, with an increasingly large frequency (just like a coin just before it looses its vibration completely when flipped on a surface).

Anyway, that impressively well build machine you have should and deserves to be connected to a simple and efficient load, like a water pump or maybe a compressor (as another guy suggested earlier).
The only way to shut up the critics completely without closing the loop is to make it do some useful and practical work. I really want to see yours do it 

[i_ron]

Ron, I think Hans's main disagreement with you is that hitting a piece of iron with an hammer is not enough to conclude that the machine is doing actual work. His and others view is that energy will only be reflected back into the oscillation and thereby aid the pendulums oscillation.
I do not really agree with this because a lot of energy is lost from the hammer when it hits the iron or what ever you used, both as heat, vibration and sound. This will also happen very fast several times while the hammer is touching the ground, as it will be reflected back and fourth again, with an increasingly large frequency (just like a coin just before it looses its vibration completely when flipped on a surface).

Anyway, that impressively well build machine you have should and deserves to be connected to a simple and efficient load, like a water pump or maybe a compressor (as another guy suggested earlier).
The only way to shut up the critics completely without closing the loop is to make it do some useful and practical work. I really want to see yours do it 

This has already been done in the flashlight pendulum and the water pump pendulum, so I felt no need to go there.

The path I was pursuing was that of understanding where the force originated, its strength, and how best to utilize it.

Hans main disagreement with me is not that at all, rather he has stated that Milkovic's pendulum is bullsh*t. If you remember he trashed my study without even reading it... and has never bothered to retract his erroneous statement.
Nothing that I could do or present would change his opinion.

So I would assume that most people on here are fans and would like to see this pendulum thing succeed. We are doing our best.

Ron