12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Cloxxki]

Gents,

I think I should take distance from any dated comments I may have may with regards to the 2SO, as my current understand is less optimistic than when I first saw it.

I'd love the CW to free fall, and I know it will when unhooked. It's up there, it must come down. I am however unfortunately convinced that the pendulum will slow down greatly when not receiving the pull back from the CW.
At this stage I think there is a more efficient way to wind the pendulum back up, get closer to 100%, but I don't see 101% happening. Nothing is for free in the 2SO.

I may have missed something, but RHEAD's designs I've seen have impressive wind down times, and thus require little input to keep it going. The mass of the pendulum though, is already doing part of the lifting on the CW. Multiple pushes are required to get the oscillation going, full lift of the CW. When it lifts off, the 2SO has temporarily reached seesaw conditions with equal pull on each side. You'll agree that with 2 children in balance on a level see-saw, a little birdy doing a poo on the one's head will be enough to get signicant vertical lift on the opposing side. The poo side goes down also of course, losing about the same potential energy as the CW wins.

RHEAD's birdy poo pushes tip the 2SO over the balance point, and the CW is visually lifted.
Placed on a digital (limited vertical movement) scale though, I'm predicting you we'd see that the CW doesn't weigh as much on the crossbar as it may seem to be, even when seemingly resting on the scale. The 2SO itself and pendulum offer mass pulling on it.
What looks like 10x OU may in fact be a seesaw pulling a weight that is in fact 10x lighter than it seems to be.

Stick a strain gauge on the rope or bar between the CS and the crossbar. Or a spring and scale with sufficient range to support the CW through the oscillations.
I'll telling you the CW of, say, 100kg, isn't being supported by earth for all that 100kg when in contact. Did anyone ever weigh the CW with the pendulum hanging still? I think this should be part of any calcs or guesswork.

Take a small 2SO, and unhook the CW. Place your hand on the crossbar with contant pressure, and feel how you need to press down on it to keep the pendulum swinging at the other end. Or, how you can drive the pendulum from standstill by short bursts of pressure on the opposing crossbar.
It's quite simple as I see it:  the pendulum loses energy when it pulls the crossbar down. It loses height and possibly swing speed. Losing height would normally result increase of speed.

If OU is so obvious, an inventor or replicator will easily convince simple minds such as me.
Where to extract the excess energy? Tell me and I'll offer you a design for it. And as my understanding grows, i may add a hypothesis of results you'll achieve.

[fishman]

Gents,

I think I should take distance from any dated comments I may have may with regards to the 2SO, as my current understand is less optimistic than when I first saw it.

I'd love the CW to free fall, and I know it will when unhooked. It's up there, it must come down. I am however unfortunately convinced that the pendulum will slow down greatly when not receiving the pull back from the CW.

Great point!, how did i not see that? I'll take some of that distance from dated comments also. Time for me look closer at the TSO.

@Ken, now i get where you are coming from better.
 

[Cloxxki]

Great point!, how did i not see that? I'll take some of that distance from dated comments also. Time for me look closer at the TSO.

@Ken, now i get where you are coming from better.

None of us did.
Because we HEARD the CW hammering loudly in early video's. Milkovic's device was made of steel, and I think the CW fell on steel.
Easy enough to let us presume the CW was hitting the resting point from free fall. How could it be any louder?

I bet if you add a pillow under the CW it become less impressive to first-time observers. The constant input to the pendulum will seem like a lot compare to the punches the pillow receives.

[neptune]

OK guys , just come from the workshop . I am now convinced that the lever CAN feed energy back to the pendulum given the right phasing . It is very difficult to get the pendulum to swing from a standing start . However if you start it swinging in about a 30 degree arc ,You can increase its swing by manipulating the beam by hand . Move the beam so the the pivot of the pendulum is at its lowest when pendulum is at bottom dead center , and slightly higher [0.5 cms in my case ] each time the pendulum is at its highest point . Try it . This may be significant , as this is exactly the phasing of a working 2SO .
       At Cloxxki . I have not yet 100% grasped your last post yet . However some tests I did today are connected with what I think you are saying . On my model , the up and down movement of the beam is limited by 2 adjustable stops . With no counterweight , the beam was in the UP position .To make it sit in the down position I have added 200 grams to the output end , which MUST NOT  be counted as part of the CW . The CW is limited by the stops to a vertical lift of 1.5 cms . The pendulum loses about 0.5 cm height in one swing . So input was 0.5 Kg cms [pend weighs 1 kg] .output is 350 grams x 1.5  cm = 0.425 Kg cms .or about 85 % efficient .Exact measurement is hard with poor eyesight , but that is my estimate . What I am saying is that to be fair , the beam must fall down WITHOUT the CW . Regards Ken .

[Cloxxki]

Dad Gorilla is taking care of some pressing banana business, using a see-saw as his branch.
"Ah, good to have me feet of the ground for a moment"

Little does he know, own of his sight, Baby Gorilla has found that he in now in fact big enough to leap and hang off the see-saw's opposing seat. He was hoping to send Dad flying, but in fact Dad didn't even notice anything.

Baby doesn't give up that easily though, he knows a fun game when he sees one. By lack off a swing, he uses his long arms as a swing!
"Hmm, it's harder on my hands to keep a grip when I swing"

There he goes, higher, and higher.
Dad still doesn't notice, this banana erally is outstanding. He wants more of these, and ponders which exact tree he got it from earlier.

Then, after a prticularly high swing, just as Baby makes a low pass, he feels resistance from the swing diminishing. It came down! Dad was lifted for a moment! Not launched, but it sure was a good effort.
"Hey, what's going on back there?! Let a man eat his banana in peach".

Little does dad know, his bright son just invented undisputed overunity.

Baby lets go of the seat, and makes a little jump. Swinging is fun, but very tiresome. Especially when you lift your dad at the same time.