12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[supersam]

to all,

while i see alot of people trying to use bicycle's to close the loop of this device, i don't see anyone thinking about where the tourqe is located in this device!  everyone seems to be trying to take maximum torque from the end of the lever, even after it has loaded a spring. 

if you look at the point where, maximum power or, (crush force), is , you will see that it is at the fulcrum of the lever!  not at the end of the lever.  (where would you rather have your finger?)  if you don't want your finger at the end of the lever( under the hammer), you damn sure don't want it any closer to the fulcrum. 

the thing is, that none of the replications, that i have seen, have taken this into cosideration.  please, someone take this into consideration and see what kind of power you can develop from the axel of the fulcrum on the lever.  not to be mistaken for the end of the lever. 

no wonder you can't get any power!

lol
ss

[FreeEnergy]

to all,

while i see alot of people trying to use bicycle's to close the loop of this device, i don't see anyone thinking about where the tourqe is located in this device!  everyone seems to be trying to take maximum torque from the end of the lever, even after it has loaded a spring. 

if you look at the point where, maximum power or, (crush force), is , you will see that it is at the fulcrum of the lever!  not at the end of the lever.  (where would you rather have your finger?)  if you don't want your finger at the end of the lever( under the hammer), you damn sure don't want it any closer to the fulcrum. 

the thing is, that none of the replications, that i have seen, have taken this into cosideration.  please, someone take this into consideration and see what kind of power you can develop from the axel of the fulcrum on the lever.  not to be mistaken for the end of the lever. 

no wonder you can't get any power!

lol
ss

[DarkLight]

Hi all

I have made some calculations that are valide for all unbalanced wheels and similar devices

When we move center of mass of the device, we move it only horisontally. We did not do any work against gravity, only against friction (in this concrete case we do work against gravity. It is the difference in potential energy between highest and lowest position of the pendulum.)

Let we move center of mass of the device horizontally at distance L
let we have friction coefficient

k=0.05    <- rolling

the friction force will be

M*g*k=0.05*M*g

work that we do to move the center of mass at distance L

A_friction = 0.05*M*g*L



When the center of mass is moved, there will be uncompensated torque

torque = M*g*L

work that we gain from rotating of the device due to this torque is

A_torque = Fi*M*g*L

Fi   is the angle of rotation in radians

Now we can calculate what angle of rotation Fi we need to gain at least the energy that we put in

A_result = A_torque - A_friction = FI*M*g*L - 0.05*M*g*L

we need 

M*g*L*(Fi - 0.05) > 0   =>  Fi -0.05 > 0  =>  Fi > 0.05  radians

or FI > 2.865 degrees


That is the principal I think.

[Omnibus]

@DarkLight,

This is very interesting. I think you should develop this idea further as soon as possible.

[Omnibus]

@DarkLight,

Have you seen this: http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Mathematical_analisys_Tosic_english.pdf. Would like to hear your opinion on that.

The problem is solved in the ?forward? direction (that is, the swaying of the pendulum causing the oscillations of the lever) and it seems to be the trivial part, aside from the fact that probably some of the approximations are unjustified.

What would the solution be in the ?reverse? direction (that is, when the oscillations of the lever on the opposite side of the pendulum are forced)? Would there be analytical conditions whereby these forced oscillation would cause the pendulum to swing? If not then the asymmetry Mr. Milkovic is talking about is inherent in the very essence of the mechanism.

Also, would there be an analytical solution which would undoubtedly prove the production of excess energy the way it has been proven analytically in the case of SMOT?