Kapanadze and other FE discussion

[stivep]

Analysis of the patent:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561071/#msg561071


You confused me:

Hi Wesley,
Imagine process:
-central conductor is "kicked" by HV source

we have traveling wave in the coil around the tube  but not inside of the glass tube...
in the glass tube we have DC electron drift. from cathode to anode... if we have anode.. as this can be just  a fist stage of an  electron gun..
the cathode is not heated - it is cold cathode.
the tube has  vacuum inside :- it means no grid.. no anode under  HV..
<sub>the different story is when patent is talking about propelling "jet " engine application..

here is the quote from the patent:</sub>

The invention is based on the phenomenon that the progressive magnetic field of a traveling Wave (for example the traveling
wave produced in a loaded transmission line or by spaced coils excited in different phases) exerts a unidirectional drag upon electrons in the field and that conversely
a unidirectional notion of electrons tends to produce or enhance a traveling wave.

_{Meaning of Traveling wave  may be confusing as explaining   formula not always relates to
the origin of the wave and the type of the wave. So longitudinal waves are excluded from quantum  worlds and belongs entirely  into classical mechanics.
So when  you look at  wave phenomena you must !! always remember  that you are reading the right explanation for right  type of wave.
To make it more confusing..
classical physics  called classical mechanics is  an observable world - something we can see or sense without special equipment..
-some wave behavior in both  words the classical physic and quantum physics can be very similar so often we use  longitudinal wave behavior to 
explain electromagnetic waves that belongs to quantum world.
example: the statement}

_{Traveling wave  is a wave in which the medium moves in the direction of propagation.}

_{applies to  longitudinal mechanical wave  that belongs to  classical mechanic section of the physics
here is yet another  explanation of Traveling  wave:
https://byjus.com/physics/travelling-wave/#:~:text=A%20wave%20can%20be%20described%20as%20a%20disturbance,the%20medium%20is%20known%20as%20a%20travelling%20wave.}

Wesley

[pix]

Hi Wesley,
Thanks for your time analysing patent.


In the first section of patent (claims) it describes that  unidirectional current could be driven by progressive magnetic field of travelling wave  if there is fixed longitudal metallic conductor in the centre :
"The drag may be utilised for the acceleration of elec
trons in a vacuum discharge tube to resuit in a new form
of linear accelerator.
Or it may be utilised for establishing a unidirectional
current or voltage in a circuit comprising a relatively
fixed longitudinal conductor or semi-conductor. In this
case the exciting alternating current energy and a recti
fying device results which yields a uniform or modulated
output dependent on the exciting or input energy".


We know that in metals  flow of current is experiencing resistance due to collisions with atoms in metal lattice.
This is my proposal to overcome or reduce ohmic losses for  electrons drift in central conductor, caused by progressive magnetic field of travelling wave.
By kicking them out of central conductor by HV pulses at the same time.
Thermionic emission may also take place and enhance the process once central conductor gets heated by current flowing.
As SM stated for his TPU, he had a "DC current with some hasch".
Very interesting  thing for Thonemann energy converter is that :
" progressive magnetic field of a travelling Wave (for ex
ample the travelling wave produced in a loaded transmis
sion line or by spaced coils excited in different phases)
exerts a unidirectional drag upon eiectrons in the field
and that conversely a unidirectional notion of electrons
tends to produce or enhance a travelling wave. "


So we have self supporting action.


This is a beauty:
Progressive magnetic field could be easily created by loaded transmission line or by multiphase winding. So, for coils drive we can use even 3 phase current from wall socket.


Kind Regards,
Pix

[pix]

Wesley,
"The drag may be utilized for the acceleration of electrons in a vacuum discharge tube to result in a new form of linear accelerator.Or it may be utilized for establishing a unidirectional current or voltage in a circuit comprising a relatively fixed longitudinal conductor or semi-conductor. In this case the exciting alternating current energy and a rectifying device results which yields a uniform or modulated output dependent on the exciting or input energy".


Quote: "you can't accelerate electrons in conductor".
Indeed. That is why I want to kick them out of conductor, by HV pulse . Now they can be accelerated by progressive magnetic field of traveling wave at the moments they jumped out of conductor 


Regards,
Pix

[stivep]

Analysis of the patent:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561071/#msg561071

Wesley,
"The drag may be utilized for the acceleration of electrons in a vacuum discharge tube to result in a new form of linear accelerator.
Or it may be utilized for establishing a unidirectional current or voltage in a circuit comprising a relatively fixed longitudinal conductor or semi-conductor. In this case the exciting alternating current energy and a rectifying device results which yields a uniform or modulated output dependent on the exciting or input energy".

True but  there is no word about proposed by you tube with conductor inside..
In order TO KICK electrons out of the conductor it must be representing a cathode but not the  conductive path from  one side of the tube  to another.
Please read my comment about  acceleration from above.
So how do you propose your own device ...BASED ON ALL SAID ABOVE.
Wesley

[pix]

Wesley,
My proposal:
Central conductor in form of ring, may be inserted in vacuum glass tube ( to ease exit of electrons when kicked by HV pulses), outside are located coils for creating progressive magnetic field of travelling wave.
Process:
1. create travelling wave  by loaded transmission line or multiphase driven coils upon central conductor ring located inside
2. kick central conductor with HV pulses
3. when electrons are kicked outside central conductor by HV pulse they experience acceleration by travelling wave and they drops back to central conductor. Jumps and acceleration of electrons repeat every HV pulse. That is creating current flow and potential difference in central conductor.  Additionally, accelerated electrons when they fall back to central conductor may collide with electrons inside conductor and give them energy necessary to leave conductor. This process may multiply current.


Please see attached. But of course arrangements may vary. We may not use vacuum glass tube but dielectric around central conductor, the important is to kick electrons out of conductor.


Regards,
Pix