Kapanadze and other FE discussion

[Void]

Hi Void,
If there are measurements of the ground wire current and scope traces, I'm interested in. Could you or someone else point us them?

With regard to speculation, there is also a question of method to be applied.
The proposals "here is a functional device" and "there is evidence of cheating" are not at all equivalent.
This is linked to the burden of proof, which lies only with those who make the first assertion, the positive assertion (the second being relative to the first one). It is a question of logic, and in the absence of sufficient technical details on the device, that is all that remains. To get out of a belief system, proof must be provided by those who claim that the machine works.

Hi F6FLT. The measurements on the ground wire were done with a clamp ammeter placed over the ground wire.
This can be seen in a couple of the earlier video demos if I recall correctly, but I don't have web links handy.
I am aware that there are factors that could potentially render such measurements unreliable.
I make no claim about whether those readings taken could be considered reliable or not.

Kapanadze is not trying to prove anything to the world as far as I know. Last I heard a few years ago
he was looking for someone to buy his technology from him. If someone were interested in buying the technology
from him, it would be up to them to make sure proper steps are taken to determine the device works as
claimed before paying him. I do not claim to know whether Kapanadze's device is genuine or not,
so no belief system involved at all. I keep an open mind because what I have seen seems to hold up reasonably well to scrutiny.

[AlienGrey]

Hoppy this is about all i have found

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7C1b7-w3Hs

but if your thinking of sucking energy from the ground here, think about how thunder and lightning works!
the ground must be more negative than the sky so to do that won't you need produce a high positive pulse?
But remember although it's more positive than the ground it's still more negative than the sky 

[tinman]

Hoppy this is about all i have found

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7C1b7-w3Hs

but if your thinking of sucking energy from the ground here, think about how thunder and lightning works!
the ground must be more negative than the sky so to do that won't you need produce a high positive pulse?
But remember although it's more positive than the ground it's still more negative than the sky 

Actually,the clouds become negatively charged at the bottom,and  positively charged at the top.
Once the charge separation becomes high enough,the negative charge discharges to !what is now! a positively charged earth surface.


Brad

[r2fpl]

Maybe for the fact that nobody tries to place mercury, which is a fuel.

https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg195032/#msg195032

Mercury is banned and threatened with imprisonment in my country. There are other harmful substances, too, and they do not have such restrictions. That would be interesting. Of course, mercury is harmful, so everyone knows.

Does Kapanadze use mercury?

[Void]

@Hoppy and Void

Thanks for the information about measurements of the ground wire with a clamp ammeter.
Nevertheless I'm afraid it's by far not enough: a clamp ammeter is generally designed for low frequencies (less than 10 KHz, ideally the mains frequency) and for sine signals. If there are RF currents it can be totally disturbed due to resonance or antiresonance in the inner coil. A trick consisting to put RF power in the wire couldn't clearly be viewed. As already mentionned, extraordinary claim require indisputable facts, especially when no other elements allow a duplication.

Hi F6FLT. It appears you did not read my reply to you. I already stated clearly that I was
fully aware that there are factors that could potentially make the clamp ammeter readings unreliable.
However, since we don't know the frequency and type of waveform(s) which were on the ground wire and output wire,
it is unknown if those current readings were at all accurate or not. However, the readings seemed to be ballpark for
the rough amount of power the light bulbs were apparently consuming.

I don't agree. Kapanadze filed a patent. A patent is a publicity for an invention intended to be used in the general interest of people while respecting the intellectual property of the inventor. So this is proof that Kapanadze wants to prove something. If he has filed a patent that cannot be used, that is what we are seeing,  it is cheating and he is accountable.
The only excuse I could see, which in fact is not really one, is that he has something but he is unable to understand the least reason of the functioning. This would explain why he is not cooperative because someone else could find the cause and filed another patent including the principle of functioning. In any case, once again, we are involved in idle speculation from which Kapanadze's device never comes out!

What you write here is of course just at the level of speculation, calling it 'proof' to try
to bolster what you prefer to believe; AKA rationalization. People typically file patents to
try to protect their 'intellectual property'. Those patents were filed in conjunction with a company
that Kapanadze was working with at the time. From what I have seen, it is not so uncommon for people
to file patent applications and leave out critical details in order to establish them self as the 'inventor',
but still not give away the 'critical secrets' of the invention. Possibly that is what they were trying to do.
I don't know. Anyway, as I have said I am not much interested in baseless speculation. You are free
to believe and assume anything you like, but I will reserve judgment until I see some actual credible
evidence either way.