Permanent magnets and coils electricity generation design

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Thanks for a nice and well done description of your idea. 10 points for that one!


The general answer to the question wether it works or not, boils down to how the coils
are loaded. A loaded coil resist magnetic change. Well known issue in generators.
Wether the coils is winded around magnets or a simple iron bar, does not change the
preconditions on how the loaded coil respond to the changing magnetic field. The
magnets you wind up the magnetic wire on, will only cause a magnetic bias which
will cause the output signal to be distorted. This happens because the permanent
magnet core is already magnetized, and adding more magnetism, as when the rotor
magnet points its south to the stators north at 0°, it will most probably not increase
the magnetic field through the coil as much as when you use an iron bar. Because
the point of magnetic saturation in the magnets are almost already reached at 0°.
On the contrary, when the magnets are in repulsion mode (after 180 ° rotation) you
weaken the magnetic field with greater amplitude than the increased magnetic field at 0°.


So the output signal will not have an equal curve on the positive and negative amplitude.
The coil, however, will resist rotation more around 180° area than around 0° area. The
total drag will therfor correspond perfectly to the output load.


Br. Vidar

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Thanks Vidar

"The general answer to the question wether it works or not, boils down to how
the coils are loaded."
        No.

Good observations, but no.

Typical assumptions / entrained points of view.

1. A primary goal is to "defeat" Lenz law.
2. It's always best to maximize what ever magnetic forces are involved.
3. Lenz law must be defeated in order to arrive at work from magnets
once electric elements come majorly into play within a design ?

   Leave these assumption at the door please
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"A loaded coil resist magnetic change. Well known issue in generators."

It is not an "issue",
It is not "the issue",
It is not "my issue",
                          it is simply a characteristic.
        please Drop it.
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"Wether the coils is winded around magnets or a simple iron bar, does not
change the preconditions on how the loaded coil respond to the changing
magnetic field."

Again assumption as to the points of the presentation.
                     Drop it.   
Assumption that Lenz effect must be defeated.
                      Drop it.
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"The magnets you wind up the magnetic wire on, will only cause a magnetic bias
which will cause the output signal to be distorted."

"only cause a magnetic bias"
     Only?

"will cause the output signal to be distorted."

Call it distorted if you wish. 

"distorted"   I will call it changed.  ie. diminished /  or increased.

Also let us concern out selves with output as sine waves, and wave form at some later point,
shall we ?

Sure, balancing some things, is sort of the point here.
   
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"This happens because the permanent magnet core is already magnetized,
and adding more magnetism, as when the rotor magnet points its south to the
stators north at 0°, it will most probably not increase the magnetic field through
the coil as much as when you use an iron bar. "

Yes... but your assumption here,  is that a maximization at this point in the
interactions will give us the maximum desired benefit (final output).

   please drop this assumption,
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Because the point of magnetic saturation in the magnets are almost already
reached at 0°.

Assumption that saturation in the magnets is almost already reached.
Assumption that saturation is a goal ?
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  fresh eyes ?

  br
  floor

[Floor]

Design Variation

Note...

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and
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Note...
Incorrect statement in the drawings below as " identical units with a common axle."

   floor

[Floor]

This design might be considerably more "efficient" if
the near point in the distance between the poles of the armature magnets
and the fixed magnet poles, are considerably greater than as is illustrated.

Weaker interactions, yet more efficient.

   best wishes
         floor

  PS
   Oh !
    I forgot to mention, its O.U. 

[Floor]

And if its not O.U., lets keep going / modify it until it is.

There is plenty to do, explore and enjoy.
   Game is not over.

               floor

[Floor]

Offset repelling and attracting by different amounts.