Bifilar pancake coil overunity experiment

[F6FLT]

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When you lower the frequency,you will see that the voltage will start to lead current.

When you lower the frequency, since the L1 output terminal is not connected, the current can only flow through the dielectric of the coils gap. At low frequencies, the circuit becomes only capacitative and therefore the current is reduced,  down to zero at zero frequency (dc).

[tinman]

The transformer is only used to isolate the FG from the circuit. We only want to measure the circuit so CH1 must be taken on L1.
The statement "The power calculations of the circuit attached to your pole cannot be calculated using a common grounded oscilloscope" is not based on any engineering rules. I confirm that power measurements can be done perfectly well in accordance with what I have indicated:
https://overunity.com/17861/bifilar-pancake-coil-overunity-experiment/dlattach/attach/170845/image//

Sorry F6FLT,but i do not agree with that.
Myself and partzman have been caught out like this before,where capacitive coupled paths exist that bypass the CVR,(more so at these high frequencies)and so accurate power calculations cannot be made the way you indicate.

You will see(and i believe partzman has already shown)that COPs greater than one will start to show up. The error will be the same as it was before--unforseen capacitive coupling bypassing the CVR.


Brad

[itsu]

Using the F6FLT diagram in post #268, i get:

Blue CH2 inverted
CH1 value needs to have CH2 value substracted i think (1.909 - 44.36mV = 1.86V)


CH1 1.909V (- 0.4436 = 1.86V)
CH2 44.36mA  (CH2 inverted)
CH3 849.3mV
Phase CH1-CH2 -64.83°
Math 34.84mW


Pin = CH1  * (CH2/R2)  (no phase involved??)
Pin = 1.86 * (0.4436 / 1)
Pin = 0.0825W = 82.5mW

When using the phase i get: 1.86 * 0.04436 * Cos (-64.83) =  0.035W = 35mW

Again math function scope and calculated values (including Cos) are very close 34.84mW versus 35mW

Pout = CH3² / R1 + CH2² / R2
pout = 0.8493² / 20 + 0.04436² / 1
Pout = 0.036 + 0.00196
pout = 0.0379W = 37.9mW

COP = 37.9 / 35 = 1.08

Still within the margins of measurement errors i think.

Itsu

[tinman]

The statement "The power calculations of the circuit attached to your post cannot be calculated using a common grounded oscilloscope" is not based on any engineering rules. I confirm that power measurements can be done perfectly well in accordance with what I have indicated:
https://overunity.com/17861/bifilar-pancake-coil-overunity-experiment/dlattach/attach/170845/image//

Below i have added a capacitive coupled current loop that has not been taken into consideration.
This is why you cannot accurately calculate power as you have indicated,as R2 will not see all the current that is flowing through L1.

is not based on any engineering rules

No,it's based on previous experiments,where COPs of 200%+ were being had,and the overlooked capacitive couplings were found. These findings were had from many hours on the bench,by many of the people here--2 of which were partzman and my self.

In some cases it wont account for much,but it is enough to tip the scales against the known laws of physics.

Brad

[partzman]

Let's see, if we assume for a moment there is a source of excess energy in properly configured pancake coil arrangements and we were to master the technology, perhaps it would perform like the device seen in the video at-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4fp9J_7-JQ&t=1s

Or then again, maybe it is a hoax!

Regards,
Pm