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Bifilar pancake coil overunity experiment

Started by ayeaye, September 09, 2018, 09:42:32 AM

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F6FLT

Quote from: ayeaye on December 23, 2018, 10:27:30 AM
I strongly disagree, self-looping is not a way to prove OU at all.
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Self-looping is not sufficient but it's necessary. This is my minimum requirement when people talk to me about OU. But you do what you want.

tinman

Quote from: itsu on December 23, 2018, 09:56:24 AM
Brad,

i don't think so, when using ONLY the current probe and ONE voltage probe across the csr, the  both show the
SAME amplitude AND phase, no lagging behind, see 2th screenshot above.

I rather think that in the multiple probe setup (1st screenshot), the blue CH2 is somehow "forced" to join up
with the phase of CH1 yellow due to the same ground points.

I would rather "believe" the current probe here then the voltage probe.

Itsu

As CH1 and CH2 remain in phase with or without the current probe,and the fact that you are measuring across a pure resistance (your CSR),then i would say that CH2 is reading correctly,and not being forced to lign up with CH1s phase.
This is also proven when you use just CH1 and the current probe,and once again the phases line up.
So yes,the phase angle across the CSR should be 0,but your current probe shows otherwise when used in conjunction with both CH1 and CH2,but shows correctly when CH2 is removed--is that correct?.


Brad

tinman

Quote from: itsu on December 23, 2018, 10:23:52 AM

If i do a differential measurement across R2 using CH2 blue and CH4 green, and use the Math to substract them, i get the below screenshot.

It shows that CH1 yellow, CH2 blue and CH4 green are all of the same phase and the Math calculates the difference to be 45mA (like the current probe before).

But i have still my doubts about the phase compared to CH1 yellow, i still think it should be offset about 62° like seen before.


Itsu

Regardless of anything that is happening either side of the CSR,the waveforms on either side of the CSR should always be in phase,as you are measuring a voltage drop across a pure resistance.

So what ever you see on one side of the CSR,you will see on the other side,but where the amplitude is either higher or lower.


Brad

ayeaye

Quote from: F6FLT on December 23, 2018, 05:08:03 PM
This is my minimum requirement when people talk to me about OU. But you do what you want.

Of course i have my own requirements, and i don't care what you say.

It's like several people here who want to replace the problem with something else, to make sure that the result will be zero.

Teaching you analytical thinking. People in Japan believed that there lived mystical creatures, who had bowl on their head. This bowl was necessary for them, because it gathered water, and water gave them power. So people told, when you meet such creatures, bow deeply to them. Then the creatures will also bow to you, the water from their bowls will flow away, and they have no power any more.


ayeaye

I am in trouble in that, i cannot really explain how these alternative uses of the bifilar pancake coil might provide overunity, other than the original Tesla design. The only thing was that TinselKoala experiment that claimed 2.9 overunity. Now when that appears nothing, i don't see why to even consider it any more. Go back to where we began, the Tesla's original design, as the claim that something else may provide better results, appeared to be false.