Did Meyer not know what already existed, or was it non-overunity

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Did Meyer,  and other similar inventors,   not know what already existed, or was his device supposed to be allowable, if the water did not re-circulate, so it was not self-running , not overunity .

So was he trying to fit it into a niche of sort of allowable .

I don't know how many other inventors there may have been that tried to make their invention allowable, by not making them fully overunity / self-running .

He and others,  certainly seemed as if they would have known what already existed, these inventors were social etc, it seems that at a minimum most people knew overunity devices existed and were suppressed,  although often,  many people would not have known how they functioned .

So when he publicized his invention, he and the media and everyone would have known (  from stories etc )  about  better devices like  self-powered-motor-generators,  so who were these types of inventors trying to fool ( for want of a better word, no disrespect to these inventors ) .

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If overunity was already produced, we would not be here searching for it.

Among the "inventors" who are alleged to have found an overunity device are:
- incompetent people who see in their DIY common effects as extraordinary. They are unable to make accurate measurements and to interpret them correctly. They believe they have invented something new when they have only reinvented hot water. Sometimes they succeed in filing a patent. They are sincere but intellectually limited or have a pathological illucidity.
- egocentric people who produce almost nothing real, or things that can never be tested, in the best case a patent, but a lot of pseudo-scientific blah blah that impresses neophites. The most manipulator egocentric become gurus i.e intellectual crooks with a court of ignorant followers.
- scammers who make money from investors who will lose their and will never see anything concrete, or from naive people who will buy their books because they have not understood that if the con artist sells books on overunity and not an overunity system, it is simply that he does not have one! (how is it possible, it's beyond my comprehension  )

The boundary between these categories is blurred, many pseudo-inventors have more or less these character flaws.
All these people, noisy freeloaders, represent a huge waste of time for anyone interested in techniques that could provide us with free or cheap energy.  The sorting to do in what we believe are new ideas and interesting leads is indeed considerable, most of them being stupidities or lies.
For me the main character of Meyer falls into the first category.

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If overunity was already produced, we would not be here searching for it.

I'm sorry but, time and time again you show that you lack analytical thinking. What is the dollar based on, it was based on gold, what is it based on now?

You guys again found a way to somehow simulate something, now are happy that you were able to do that and present it as reality. Others read it, think how great, and totally ignore me who tries to find out what really happens by the most basics, the movement of the charged particles. Research needs experiments, finding out what really happens.

I found that more than a coil with a few turns, with magnet attached to it, this works much better. I took a hard drive magnet, wrapped it first with an insulating tape, and then with an aluminum foil. Wrapped the aluminum foil with an adhesive tape as well, except the ends, to hold it tightly together. Then measured current through both ends on the aluminum foil, at the side of south and north pole. The hard drive magnet is long and flat, with poles at both ends. So this created something like an aluminum tube, from pole to pole, around that magnet.

Then i measured current through me, holding the multimeter probes in both hands, it was zero as well. Then i measured current through an aluminum foil and me in series, why, because attaching different metals to the body, creates a kind of battery, yes your body becomes a battery, as weird as it may seem. The current was 0.07 uA. Then i measured current through my body and this device i made in series, the current was 0.22 uA, almost stable. Not a very important result, but how can the difference be explained? One possibility that remains, is that my body provides electrons, and then this device really amplifies current. One may come up with one's own explanation.

Instead of the alleged overunity device that they show in youtube videos, i made a much simpler device that may well work much better. This youtube device had an additional spiral attached to it, with open end. This was supposed to gather electrons from the air. I don't know, with a greatly ionized air, this device maybe even worked, maybe not.

I tried that device and a big metal object in series, which supposed to provide electrons, but the current was zero. So how is my body different, is it just more massive and contains more electrons? One may do more experiments, like connect it to the ground, which supposed to provide electrons. Electrons because i don't know that other charged particles move through the conductor, and i assume that all electrons are the same, are they? I also tried a circuit with a battery, a 5 k resistor and this device in series, the device generated zero emf.

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I certainly cannot believe that  overunity devices exist,  imagine if a  'Self-Powered-Motor-Turning-A-Generator-Device'  continually powered a 10000-watts heater or lights,  all that output infrared or other frequency-energy streaming out into the environment,  and the only theorized source would be  aether-particles .

It is claimed to be originally patented in Paris in 1882 by  A.I. Graivier .

Put the following text into normal google-search,  to bring up the relevant peswiki pages -
  "Graivier"   site:.peswiki.com

Pages like the following -
https://peswiki.com/free-energy-blog:2013:12:21
https://peswiki.com/directory:emmett-l-butlers-qmogen

The relevant videos of modern  'Self-Powered-Motor-Turning-A-Generator-Devices' that used to be on those peswiki pages,  no longer exist .

Apparently, the 1882 device and most of the later and modern ones worked by  Cogging-Torque-Neutralization,  an explanatory diagram is on the following post I made -

https://overunity.com/17587/can-anyone-verify-cogging-torque-neutralization/msg515952/#msg515952

At the end of the thread someone posted a much-better principle on which to base the device, and a build, which left the thread obsolete .
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For people who don't believe overunity devices exist, one reason you don't believe is because they would be impossible, radiating output,  without any input  .
    So why do these people keep on designing and researching and testing in order to achieve it,  it's contradictory