A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1

[ramset]

Sorry to post here .
I have great respect for floor and his open source approach and experiments [testable and verifiable or ? to interested parties

yes I see that F6FLT has no velvet glove for his iron fist....this does make me squirmy too.
but to say he is like MH ?? yeesh
this man F6FLT rolls up the sleeves and experiments ,and shares his work too ,and is a firm believer in the what ifs?
his sledgehammer diplomacy to avoid wasted time and get the experimenters to return here   ....and search for a true anomaly .
I dunno ...

I have found his experimental  contributions to the open source community more than refreshing.
his attempts to raise the standards here ,in this quite diverse international community [all skill levels and education and languages etc etc]
that is gonna be hard to do and remain productive ,as they say in the big house "you do you"
just one mans opinion

he is a fearless experimenter......we do need more of the higher end open source experiments here and elsewhere [LENR NMR etc etc edit to add  MH considered all such experiments fantasy or fancifal thinking,and would play google paste  for answers in areas he had no training or skill set [none know it all here and never will ,all must admit when their knowledge has no frame of reference [and F6FLT does admit his boundaries ] .




I am uncertain if George has done these experiments and quality measurements ??
we have a member who has done much work here with  harvesting charge from electrolytes and utilizing that charge to enhance the efficiency ...member Centraflow ,he actually uses the C02 for this charge..  and  makes a fuel too.  All has been open sourced here and elsewhere. PM for a link if you can't find in a search.Edit I will add a link when I can.
  No stone left unturned..........

[George1]

To Floor and gyulasun
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Thanks a lot for your replies. This is already a positive and constructive dialogue. I would like to ask you to give me some time to prepare carefully my answers.
Please ask other questions, if any.
Best regards,
George

[Floor]

@George1

Keep on keepen on.

      good luck with your explorations.

[George1]

Thank you, Floor. Thanks a lot for your encouragement and good will.
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The text below is for Floor, gyalasun and for all other colleagues who intend to lead a positive and constructive dialogue.
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1) Our expert in calorimetry is a very dilligent and meticulous experimenter and because of this reason he prepared a huge and a detailed report for all calorimetric experiments related to the electrolyzer, if the latter is considered as a total heat generator. The report consisted of 800 (eight hundred) standard type-written pages. I doubted that anybody in this forum would have the patience to read and assimilate thoroughly the information in all these 800 pages. That is why I insisted on severe shortening of the report. So now we are working over a severely shortened version of the report.
2) Meanwhile why don't you carry out the calorimetric experiments, related to the electrolyzer as described in the link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/pages_1-6.pdf ? We are sure that in this forum there are a lot of highly qualified specialists in the field of calorimetry and electric engineering. The experiments can be carried out comparatively easily if you have the necessary equipment and the related qualified experimenter(s). If you carry out your own experiments, then you will be absolutely sure what exactly and really happens inside the electrolyzer. Because it seems to us that whatever experimental results of ours will be declared false by F6FLT and by people similar to him.
3) And here is a simple logical construction. (The numbers below are only illustrative.) Assume that the battery generates 100 J of electric energy. Then 6 outcomes are possible (on the right):
a) 100 J < 100 J Joule's heat + 60 J heat of burning of hydrogen;
b) 100 J = 20 J Joule's heat + 80 J heat of burning of hydrogen;
c) 100 J < 70 J Joule's heat + 90 J heat of burning of hydrogen;
d) 100 J < 110 J Joule's heat + 50 J heat of burning of hydrogen;
e) 100 J > 10 J Joule's heat + 80 J heat of burning of hydrogen;
f) 100 J > 60 J Joule's heat + 15 J heat of burning of hydrogen.
It is evident therefore that whatever happens at least one of the fundamental laws is violated. But there is nothing special and tragic in this fact -- any rule/law has its exceptions.
4) In our poor opinion the situation here is the same as with the steam engine. For many years people had watched boiling water in a teapot. But only a few men (Newcomen, Smeaton, Boulton, Watt, etc.) noticed the fact that boiling water, which generates steam, could be used as an energy generator, called steam engine. The same for the electrolyzer. For many years people had considered the electrolyzer as a hydrogen generator only. But it is also a generator of Joule's heat in addition.
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Please ask your questions, if any. Any positive and constuctive criticism is always welcome.
Looking forward to your answers.
Best regards,
George

[Floor]

@George 1

Thank You for hanging in.

          Note... There was a topic on the forum .....  in which the idea was presented
that an industrial scale electrolysis /  hydrogen gas generator could be located at the bottom of a
mountain.  Simply put. 

             outputs

!. Resistive electric  heating
2. Lift from the hydrogen rising
3. burning the hydrogen, heat (at the top of the mountain).
4. falling hot water.



Thanks again,  I will study the link you posted.
         
        best wishes
                floor