A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1

[lancaIV]

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=2006038048A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=4&date=20060413&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
"... efficiency exceeds extremely the efficiency of conventional hydrolysis... " given as 2,8 KWh per cbm pure hydrogen !

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19780808&CC=US&NR=4105528A&KC=A#
Decomposition of aqueos liquid : 20 x improvement  !
Now this hydrogen into this fuel cell chamber
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19770802&CC=US&NR=4039352A&KC=A#

The first listed patent from Hungary has this " citing documents":
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=WO&NR=2006038048A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=4&date=20060413&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=2011006749A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=5&date=20110120&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
"Induction heater" using,
why not this efficient "inductive heating arrangement":
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20161222&CC=DE&NR=112014006403A5&KC=A5#
Can a superconductive ink improve the total efficiency?
https://www.google.com/search?q=bolano+superconductive+ink&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b

[George1]

To gyulasun
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Hi Gyula,
Thanks a lot for your reply.
Yes, you are right, but there are some aspects of the problem that have to be explained in detail. And here they are.
Please look at the link below and please read it carefully:
https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Introductory_Chemistry/Book%3A_Introductory_Chemistry_(CK-12)/23%3A_Electrochemistry/23.09%3A_Electrolysis_of_Water
And here is a quote from this link:
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BEGINNING OF THE QUOTE
Electrolysis of Water
The electrolysis of water produces hydrogen and oxygen gases. The electrolytic cell consists of a pair of platinum electrodes immersed in water to which a small amount of an electrolyte such as  H2SO4  has been added. The electrolyte is necessary because pure water will not carry enough charge due to the lack of ions. At the anode, water is oxidized to oxygen gas and hydrogen ions. At the cathode, water is reduced to hydrogen gas and hydroxide ions.

oxidation (anode):reduction (cathode):overall reaction:2H2O(l)→O2(g)+4H+(aq)+4e−2H2O(l)+2e−→H2(g)+2OH−(aq)2H2O(l)→O2(g)+2H2(g)E0=−1.23VE0=−0.83VE0cell=−2.06V(23.9.1)
In order to obtain the overall reaction, the reduction half-reaction was multiplied by two to equalize the electrons. The hydrogen ion and hydroxide ions produced in each reaction combine to form water. The  H2SO4  is not consumed in the reaction.
END OF THE QUOTE
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Therefore the link above actually explains everything. 
In order to maintain M2=const, T2=const, I=const and R=const in the electrolyte you have to do only two things.
Firstly, you have to add constantly only pure water (as H2SO4 is not consumed in the reaction as shown in the above link and in the above quote) in the electrolyzer thus keeping M2=const.
Secondly, you have to cool down constantly the electrolyzer thus (a) consuming constantly the Joule's heat for useful purposes and (b) keeping T2=const, I=const and R=const. (Because as you know the ohmic resistance of any electrolyte depends on temperature, that is, the ohmic resistance of any electrolyte decreases with rise in temperature. In order to avoid this you cool constantly the electrolyte thus keeping constant values for T2, I and R, respectively.)
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So having in mind the above explanations it is not necessary in my poor opinion to use such a sophisticated experimental methodology as the one you have recommended in your last post. Don't you think so?   
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George

 

[George1]

To lancaIV
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Hi lancaIV.
Thanks a lot for your reply.
The links you have sent to me are extremely interesting. We are studing them very carefully now. Yes, you are absolutely right that there is an enormous and still undiscovered and useful potential in the water generating electrolysis. Obviously many people work over this technology problem. Please send to us other links of the sort, if you have any.
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
   

[lancaIV]

Yes,  many  universities,science institutions and comercial R&D labs are working in this scene, including DOE and EU-Eureka grants or MITI !
Low cost water decomposition ( not : water generation) gives the entrance to the CO2/Methan- cycle !Solar-/Sun-/Wind-fuel as synthetic hydro-carb liquid fuel and CO2 Recycling.

Thermal,sono-,photo-,electro-lysis or plasma as water catalysator.
You do not want a simple electric heater, you want cheap energy and this many wants  !
2010- now 2019 ,......
https://www.h2-international.com/2017/06/06/high-voltage-electrolysis-possible/

Audi,Toyota,GM,Hyundai,......

[gyulasun]

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So having in mind the above explanations it is not necessary in my poor opinion to use such a sophisticated experimental methodology as the one you have recommended in your last post. Don't you think so?   
Looking forward to your answer.
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Hi George,

As I wrote earlier to you, I do not wish to tell you or your team how to measure the energy balance of your proposed electric heater setup for which you claim COP > 1 performance. I simply outlined a method I think would give a correct answer for such a certainly bold claim. 

Any method you find simple to determine the input and output energy quantities should be fine. There is only one thing to follow: the data entered into the correct math formulas should come from actual measurements on the setup. 

I wonder what actual data have been collected in the 800 page long report you referred to: can we ever read a 1 or 2 page long version of it?  No offense and no any pressure intended  but what is so difficult in it to collect input and output energy data and some details, once that report was done after the tests and measurements ?

Remember: you asked for comments / opinions in connection with your paper https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/pages_1-6.pdf  in your very first post of this thread.  The idea involved in the paper should deserve a really correct measurement procedure I think.   

Gyula