Newton's Magnets

[Floor]

@ Lumen

All of this stuff is based on basics.  Unfortunately for nearly all of us, in the course of
our learning those basics, our teachers left out / failed to accentuate certain aspects.

They did this not because they were particularly bad teaches, but because certain aspects
of those basics were traditionally considered / assumed to be of little consequence.

In mechanics :

1. A force (any kind of force) is not form of energy, its not even a mechanical energy.

2. A force acting / causing some change, is an expenditure of, manifestation of
or exchange of energy.

3. Forces which are present between magnets are not / do not expend energy
unless / until they cause a change.

Commonly, that change is measured in terms of some form of displacement.
Then and only then is that magnetic force and its action, a form of energy.
(measurable as  force time displacement)

As a relavent example, consider an apple sitting upon Newton's desk.  The force of gravity
is pulling upon that apple.  But there is (by definition) no work being done upon the
apple and there is no expenditure of gravitational energy unless the apple  falls.

These devices and methods, change the direction of forces, so that they can not act,
and therefore are not / do not become expenditures of energy.

The forces are still there but they cost us / the device very little (mostly just increased friction losses).

This seems like just word trickery, but it actually / really is the way it is, when dealing with force and energy.

The devices / methods also neutralize forces by balancing. 

Motion that is caused / occurs,  but which is not done against a force is not an energy expenditure.

Shields of any kind redirect energy. Even a motor cycle helmet does this.  They do not magically
cause energy to vanish.

[Floor]

@ Floor

Looking at your PDF is making me wonder..... I bet if I put that into the simulator, it's going to tell me that there is no change in forces on the outer magnets with or without the shield magnets.
That would be interesting because if the actual response is not as calculated then something is missing.
We will see what happens.

@ Lumen

!. Can not / will not, discuss the results with neo magnets (it is off topic).

2. As I said in an earlier comment, I have the FEMM software, but I don't use it.

3. I don't want to discuss the FEMM software nor the validity of or invalidity of its usage (it is off topic).

4. We are discussing real world magnet interactions.  You may, of course, wonder all you wish to about FEMM results,
but its off topic here.

[Floor]

Here is the basis of the topic of discussion

Equal and opposite forces.

It requires the same energy expenditure to pull two magnets in attraction apart,
as those magnets delivered during their attraction to each other.

Because Newtons laws are valid, and also because of the  two pole nature of permanent magnets...........

we can change the positions of two magnets, which are in close proximity to one another,
without doing work against the magnetic forces between those  magnets.  To see an example of this
illustrated,  open the PDF attached below.

We can get energy from magnets, cyclically and repeatedly.

We accomplish this by limiting motions to specific vectors  (right angle and or near right angle vectors),
by neutralization of (balancing of) attracting and repelling forces along specific vectors, and preventing
motions along specific other vectors.

To see this done watch this video, Titled "amazeing"

                          https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q

[lumen]

@ Floor

I posted the FEMM results only because I have tested this exact configuration and the results match the FEMM results and if you notice the difference you will see it's to small to be useful.
What is different are the results that are shown in some devices using ceramic magnets.
To know why the results are different may be the key to building a self sustaining device.

You missed one though, Two magnets stacked together increase the field strength.

[Floor]

@ Floor

I posted the FEMM results only because I have tested this exact configuration and the results match the FEMM results and if you notice the difference you will see it's to small to be useful.
What is different are the results that are shown in some devices using ceramic magnets.
To know why the results are different may be the key to building a self sustaining device.

You missed one though, Two magnets stacked together increase the field strength.

"You missed one though, Two magnets stacked together increase the field strength."
                   
Two magnets stacked together CHANGES field strength. 

There are many and various, ways in which that "strength" may CHANGE.   INCREASE can only properly be described in terms of both magnitude AND direction.

What YOU MISSED AND SEEM NOT TO UNDERSTAND, is that it is quite often, a VERY DIFFICULT TASK to keep a topic on topic. This is especially true, in an environment (like the OU forum) that is filled with brilliant and creative minds.

There is sometimes a seemingly endless array of, valid and fascinating, variations and  nuances to a particular set of interactions.  Sometimes, far more than a single person could explore in a
lifetime. 
The focus of this topic has already spread far and wide and is sometimes barely on topic.

What you are participating in, is the present state of a 5 year of study / research (by me), in this some what narrow vein of examinations.  Combined with the experience of some of the other participants in the topic, there is probably well over a century of time / experience present (not excluding your own). 

Most participant are rugged individualists / valiant explorers.  It is difficult for us to resits
the temptation to present innovations.  This in itself is not something to be put down upon or invalidated. But participants must be careful that they not prevent a topics culmination.

PLEASE be more careful in the future in this context.

    respectfully
            floor

In some ways your observations, questions, ideas are simply ahead of the curve, at this time.