Power from repelling magnets

[ayeaye]

An asymmetric field has overunity and can do continuous work. Now one can come up with whatever arguments that it cannot, but a simple logic says otherwise. Say that there is a 1 square foot area on earth, where gravity is 10 times less. Then we sure can move an object there, lift it up, then move out of that area, let it fall, and get much more energy than we put in, ready to move it to the area with low gravity again. Does anyone argue against?

Now how is a magnet any different? When there is an area at the pole where force is less, as seen above, then cannot we move a pole of another magnet there so it attracts, move it away, and then again towards the pole where the force is greater, getting more energy than we put in, and ready to move the pole to the area with less force again. Does anyone argue that it is not possible, when the field at the pole is asymmetric?

This asymmetry seems to be also in the Gauss equation for magnetic field. I have not tried myself, but i have seen simulation results using FEMM, that show an area with less force at the pole, just like that above. The Gauss equation for electrostatic forces has a spherical symmetry near the charge, built in, the Gauss equation for magnetic field doesn't. If it did, it couldn't likely model the real magnetic field, where such asymmetry is present, so it had to be made the way it is, That the field lines must always go loops, this doesn't really make sense, nothing moves in loops there, and may be just an artificial doctrine that enables to model fields that differ from the Coulomb model. That said, the field lines form loops of course, assuming that there really are field lines inside the magnet, where they go back to another pole. The same with the Coulomb model, except that there is no requirement for all field lines to go to the other pole in a loop without going to infinity.

Either the field itself is asymmetric, or we can make it asymmetric by a static shield, in either case the field is asymmetric. Like if we could shield that 1 square foot area on earth so that the gravity there is 10 times less, we can use it to do continuous work in the same way. Likely not possible for gravity, but may be possible for a magnetic field.

[shylo]

ayeaye,
do you believe the iron filings, showing the lines, have poles?
I don't think they do.
Were taught that iron will take on poles, I think that is a fundamental flaw.
Domain alignment is true ,but flipping them is without work.
artv

[ayeaye]

do you believe the iron filings, showing the lines, have poles?

I think they have poles, i think they are temporarily magnetized.

It is just that, when spreading iron filings evenly, and maybe a bit shaking after that, there will be less field lines where the force is less. Many images show that, so this eliminates a kind of hand error.

A pole of another magnet, i said. When there is only attraction, it can likely be even not a magnet, but also some iron object, such as an end of an iron nail or screw.

[ayeaye]

I tried it, the drawing of my experiment above. using 8 disc magnets some 25 mm in diameter, one on another, and on top of it two layers of mu metal, taken from an old hard drive. i moved a head of a large screw pass it, like on the drawing, but parallel to the magnet. Yes weirdly with mu metal shielding, it worked the best, when i moved it parallel.

There seemed to be some clear propulsion, i felt no negative attraction. Not a great force, yet it was clearly felt.

The screw attracted quite a lot to the mu metal from above, though it supposed to shield. When moving in parallel, no attraction was noticeable though.

That way when using magnet as a stator, there can be a full circle of screws on the disk. Then there will not be the problem of tilting the poles with a full circle, that i encountered with full circle of magnets.

[DavidWolff]

I tried it, the drawing of my experiment above. using 8 disc magnets some 25 mm in diameter, one on another, and on top of it two layers of mu metal, taken from an old hard drive. i moved a head of a large screw pass it, like on the drawing, but parallel to the magnet. Yes weirdly with mu metal shielding, it worked the best, when i moved it parallel.

There seemed to be some clear propulsion, i felt no negative attraction. Not a great force, yet it was clearly felt.

The screw attracted quite a lot to the mu-metal from above, though it supposed to shield. When moving in parallel, no attraction was noticeable though.

That way when using a magnet as a stator, there can be a full circle of screws on the disk. Then there will not be the problem of tilting the poles with a full circle, that I encountered with a full circle of magnets.

Have you ever salvaged Mu-metal from an old scope tube?

It has no magnetic quality to static magnets once cut or worked on, producers of that material have to heat treat it or it's useless.