Power from repelling magnets

[ayeaye]

No one says anything. Can we conclude from that that all disagree yes I must admit, i wonder why people here are not interested, but i myself am not interested. Like i don't so much want to do experiments, because i know they likely cannot provide overunity greater than friction. Also, i think that several experiments already show overunity in permanent magnets that is not greater than friction, based on the asymmetry mentioned above. Thus it is like even confirmed by several experiments. So what's the use, i cannot even surprise anyone. And when i am not interested, then why should i expect that others are interested, rather selfish, isn't it?

Now one may think, doing these experiments and all of a sudden it starts to continuously rotate. Certainly not, all that using this effect in experiments can bring, is overunity that cannot overcome friction, don't expect more. Most importantly we should understand these things. Then we may find a way to achieve continuous rotation, this i think is possible when very well understanding what happens. I have seen such devices, like metal balls going through the field of the magnets with a well adjusted trajectories, they did rotate continuously, though were a very complicated devices. But based on what i know now, i can say that they maybe were not hoaxes. And their authors never said how they worked, kept it in secret, all the advantage seemed to be to surprise other people. And indeed one cannot hope more even when making such device, my concern is increasing the knowledge that the humanity has. Even then there may be no practical use of that continuous rotation.

One thought, an iron object like a screw on that drawing. What if to try an iron cylinder instead, as all this should apply to every atom in the metal. I'm not sure about that, and i don't know the reason why it maybe cannot work.

About the mu metal, i had to talk about it, as static shielding is one way to get asymmetry. I don't know much about it though. It looks like that the mu metal brings inside itself not only the field lines that go away from the magnet, but also some that go towards the other pole. Thus when moving on that vertical line, it like weakens the whole pole, not only the field lines that go away from the magnet. Because the field lines that go both directions are bent to 90 degrees to that line.

So i'm not sure whether mu metal provides more asymmetry at all, than the asymmetry that the magnet already has. Don't expect any miracle when using mu metal either.

What concerns my this experiment  https://archive.org/details/Flcm3  it is a bit simpler than i said earlier, it just has to be measured that the forces near the peak at both directions are equal. One needs a big mug or something to attach the Newton meter (spring scales) to, and then just a thread tied to the Newton meter's hook, or make ones own hook that is proper shape. Then just lift the hook with the thread vertically, in that way it is made sure that no speed is given to the disk by hand movement, in either directions.

The image below comes from the public domain image of spring scales, from the Wikimedia Commons  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Weeghaak.JPG  that can be used to measure forces of magnets.

[kolbacict]

I have seen such devices, like metal balls going through the field of the magnets with a well adjusted trajectories, they did rotate continuously, though were a very complicated devices.

Finsrud device?

[ayeaye]

Finsrud device?

I saw some devices called Finsrud device, in youtube. I don't know whether they are the same, may be some roughly made worthless replicas. The one i saw, and i don't remember how it was called, was similar to that. But it looked like much more complicated. The trajectory by which the iron balls go through the magnetic fields, determine how well the asymmetry is used. Well what i see, before the ball comes, the magnet lowers, so the ball enters from the edge of the magnet, where the field is stronger. Then when the ball leaves, the magnet rises, and the field at the center of the magnet is lower. All i can figure, and i cannot be sure that any of these things work at all, but again, i think because of the asymmetry of the field a continuously rotating device may be possible. Anyway, what is necessary to make any continuously rotating device, if ever possible, is understanding these things more.

The best trajectory is likely, from side in, and then straight up. That the Lafonte scissors device that Norman made, seems to show the best. This trajectory is difficult to implement in any device. When using an iron object like a nut, not a magnet, the best may be a small disk, that rotates so that the object enters from the side, and then moves up.

A big mug, well, i don't know how precisely the distance of a mug can be adjusted. Then there can be a bolt, with a nut on it, something. Turning that bolt changes the length of a string, allowing to change the distance more precisely. Just something that i figure, may not be the best, such things require to figure out things sometimes, and be creative.

I used to use only a mounting tape, to attach everything, it can be easily removed, and things changed. Like one can attach a hook to the edge of a disk, with a mounting tape, to fold it twofold around the end of the wire, perhaps with the end of the wire bent, then stick that to the disk, it stays well in that way, i have tried it.

[kolbacict]

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[ayeaye]

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It looks like that the Finsrud device is described wrongly there, or the author doesn't understand it. Lowering the magnet when it is attracting, takes energy, there cannot be overunity in that case. Except when the magnet is moved towards the area with a lower magnetic field at the pole. Without asymmetry of the field such device can no way work, whether it works at all, i don't know.

An iron ball is good in that it has low friction. One may try a rotating iron ball instead of a disk, though i'm not sure how good it is. One disadvantage is that i have no idea how to extract energy from a moving iron ball. With a disk that has a magnet on it it's simple, just put a coil near it.