This forum is turning into trash

[onepower]

skywatcher

You are right, nobody can generate energy. What we pay for is not the energy, but the conversion. This conversion requires machines which have to be built and operated, which of course costs something. When i extend your argumentation everything should be free, because everything you can buy is made from materials which originally were 'free'. Why should i pay for metal because it comes out of the earth, and therefore it's 'free'. The same applies for oil, for food, for almost everything...

By extending my argument you have taken it completely out of context in my opinion. The context was that a waste product or loss to the environment such as EM energy cannot be owned by anyone otherwise they would be laying claim to ownership of part of the environment. As I said if I emit CO2 and you use it somewhere else I cannot claim you have stolen it because I discarded it to the environment. It is unenforceable and would never hold up in any court of law because it's absurd.

The energy companies know they have nothing to say with respect to stray EM energy which is why they spread disinformation to gullible people to prevent energy scavenging. I would love to see them in court and make them look foolish, I have no problem with it.

It worked ?  Really ?  Why is nobody able to replicate this today ?

Well, because T.H.Moray was a genius and most people including yourself are obviously not. Moray spent 30 years of his life researching and experimenting to perfect a single device and you would presume to be smarter than him... I think not. Where do people get off thinking they can just figure this out overnight, do they think there smarter than all the Nobel prize winners as well?. In reality building a working FE device is like winning the lottery and you have to put in the time and do the proper research with an open mind to succeed. Either you have what it takes or it's just wishful thinking and you may as well take up another hobby... fishing perhaps.

Regards

[skywatcher]

How do you know that  is for sure ? after all this is a facebook gathering for just the type of people you describe above. 'ANTS' they are all over!
negative thinking thourts.  .

Moray King could be your man, try reading books from positive people might help next be optimistic.

Raymondo

My point is:

There are people claiming 'overunity exists' and they are telling stories about working magnet motors, water-powered cars, and other types of devices... but when you want real proof, when you want so see it working, when you want to see construction plans, you get NOTHING. This forum is full of stuff like this, and it is repeating over and over again, but there was never a working device which could be successfully reproduced by others.  NEVER.

When i look at Moray King i also see nothing which could be actually used. He is doing research (which of course is good) and maybe he has discovered some effects which can not be easily explained (which you will always find when you are doing experiments of any kind) but as far as i could see he also has nothing which actually works and can be reproduced.

[onepower]

skywatcher

My point is:
There are people claiming 'overunity exists' and they are telling stories about working magnet motors, water-powered cars, and other types of devices... but when you want real proof, when you want so see it working, when you want to see construction plans, you get NOTHING. This forum is full of stuff like this, and it is repeating over and over again, but there was never a working device which could be successfully reproduced by others.  NEVER.

Overunity is often defined as "over", "unity"; one, a COP of one, therefor overunity is over a COP of 1 or 100% efficiency. Which never implied that anyone was getting something from nothing which is not the case and quite absurd. One example is a common heat pump which has a COP >1 therefore it is over-unity by definition. It does not generate heat through dissipation but rather moves heat energy through a process which many would do well to study.

I would agree the forums are ambiguous and most people don't understand the technology or even where to start hence the reason they are here. They want to get involved and make a difference which is a noble cause in my opinion.

When i look at Moray King i also see nothing which could be actually used. He is doing research (which of course is good) and maybe he has discovered some effects which can not be easily explained (which you will always find when you are doing experiments of any kind) but as far as i could see he also has nothing which actually works and can be reproduced.

No offense to anyone but many references such as this are simply click bait, that is, oh look this person has it or look at this link which generally always leads nowhere. It's just part of the culture here where people pretend to know much more than they actually do to fit in. Not a big deal and it happens everywhere in society because it is human nature.

The trick, if you will, which I have found is to not interact so much with people who tend to drag you down to a lower level but ask questions of those you think can move you forward to a higher one. Do you understand?, just ignore the people who obviously know very little and find those who can move your understanding forward. This is not a pissing contest my friend and if you are here to improve your knowledge and understanding there are people here who can help... if you ask.

Regards

[skywatcher]

Well, because T.H.Moray was a genius and most people including yourself are obviously not. Moray spent 30 years of his life researching and experimenting to perfect a single device and you would presume to be smarter than him... I think not. Where do people get off thinking they can just figure this out overnight, do they think there smarter than all the Nobel prize winners as well?. In reality building a working FE device is like winning the lottery and you have to put in the time and do the proper research with an open mind to succeed. Either you have what it takes or it's just wishful thinking and you may as well take up another hobby... fishing perhaps.

So if Mr. Moray spent 30 years of his life to develop a working device, and if this was successful, where are his devices now ?
Was nobody else able to replicate them ?
Did he fail to document everything and took his secrets into his grave ?

I never claimed to be smarter than anyone. I'm only asking questions.

The Moray device is only one of many. There are others as well who claimed success. But none of them could be successfully replicated. How strange is this ?

[DavidWolff]

Skywatcher you sound very angry are you angry? For an educational experiance  lookup, Moray King on youtube and learn how the masters got things to work!
as you wont find much in this thread as folk ether want to bull shit or ridicule others and think about this what's the difference with
and between 50 or 60 Hz and 50 or 60 Khz  the number of transitions in between each zero-crossing  point node it produces more energy
so what's the difference with that and zero-point energy the same thing atc a far greater frequency, now find somewhere to get it from, answer the fluctuating
background of cosmic space that bombards our planet randomly collection problem and you're there.



Dave Knowmore