Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment

[ayeaye]

i had to improvise a lot.

The alternative is a disk with a bigger ball bearing or a linear bench. As i also said, it would be good to use two big magnet "stators", like at the opposite sides, so the forces perpendicular to the movement then compensate each other, much less friction and stress to the bearings. Certainly more difficult to implement. But moving on the surface works as it appears, friction is not too great.

I used a box in which they sell some things in the grocery store, and while a more slippery surface like glass would sure be better, i have no complaints about the box. I used spring scales with the 5 Newton range, i bought 3 of them, 1 Newton range, 5 Newton range, and 25 Newton range, the 25 Newton range one has not yet arrived. And it appears that i did well getting scales with different ranges.

Putting this big cylinder magnet under an angle is a problem. Glue is one way, or one may make a construct out of cardboard, to hold it in place. I improvised with some cardboard from matchboxes, and it worked, though sure not a pretty solution.

The biggest problem as it appeared, the small magnet, when it moves away, tilts towards the pole of the big magnet, and falls over. This can be solved by attaching the small magnet to some plastic or anything flat beneath, that prevents it from falling over. Then attach thread to that "sledge" beneath. While somewhat increasing friction, likely not too much. I have not tried it, but it should work.

The scale is likely necessary on the lid of the box, either drawn or printed, then just glued there. Because while it's not a problem to see the distance moved from the video, try to move the magnet like by 1 mm, and hold it in place there, rather difficult when measuring just by eye. And near the big magnet, very small distances matter, like maybe it should be moved by 1/4 mm.

At that, moving so precisely, is difficult to do by hand, though may be possible. Another solution is to attach the spring scales to something with adjustable distance, like by a screw. But that's difficult and requires an additional mechanical construct. What concerns precision though, it would improve it a lot.

The proper way is to start to measure away from the neutral position, and then slowly moving towards the neutral position. Why, because the spring of the spring scales is under tension, and when the force decreases a lot, the spring pulls more than necessary, making the magnet to move rapidly. I did it the wrong way, one learns when doing.

A problem is certainly that the spring scales are long, and it is difficult to put the magnet and the scales both in the same view, so that the precision is great enough. I moved the camera around, from spring scales to the magnet and back, this is not a good solution, as you may see from the video of my experiment. I said, put a paper disk around the hook rod of the spring scales more towards the end, but then found that the spring scales are all glued together, and cannot really be opened without breaking them. It may be possible to saw the end of the tube off, and then to glue back again, though that isn't so easy to do. It is certainly possible to make a mark on the hook rod. The position on the scales can then be seen only with a proper camera angle, but the position of the mark can also be measured from the video.

So here i described several problems with these experiments. It was mostly about how to increase the precision of these experiments. For others who may try to do these experiments. To think, it's the simplest when one person does it all, the easiest solution because no others then have to do anything. The way to express it is, we wait and see with interest what you can do. Does one person have to do everything, or how much is enough for one person to do? Especially with these things not rewarding at all, like this overunity research. And not a right way either, as it is anyway necessary for several people to replicate the experiment, for it to be valid.

All the ideas how to improve these experiments, are welcome. Anyone willing to replicate the experiment, is more welcome.

Prize for these who measure overunity for the first time, anyone? Should be shared between all these who made it possible.

[sm0ky2]

Have you gathered yet any data to share?

[ayeaye]

Have you gathered yet any data to share?

Only what i said above, and what can be seen from the video. Mostly that the maximum measured force when moving in one direction was 1.7 Newtons, and the maximum measured force when moving in the opposite direction was 1 Newton. Both times moving from the neutral position. But the experiment was not yet well done.

PS I attached a piece of tape to the hook rod of the spring scales, hope that it can be seen even in these bad lighting conditions. These are the 5 Newton range spring scales.

[ayeaye]

What concerns friction, i should explain here, as i see it. When the spring scales stand still at some point, then the force is the real force minus friction. When we move the spring scales against the force from that point, then we see the real force. So friction at that point is that force minus the force when the scales stand still.

In spite when we move the scales against the force, we see the real force and can also calculate the energy when moved by that force, a part of that energy goes to friction, and is thus useless. Thus, when the magnet enters the field with some speed, it will not get enough energy when going through the positive part (up to the neutral point), to go through the negative part and still have some energy left. Because a part of the energy goes to friction. So it will not accelerate, its speed when exiting the field of the big magnet is not greater than its speed when entering the field.

In spite of that though, if we calculate overunity by forces that include friction, there is that overunity, just more energy goes to friction than this overunity provides. I think this can be calculated from the measured forces. We can likely also calculate the friction at any measured point, see how great it is, and how much it has to be decreased, for there to be acceleration.

The measurements also likely enable to see with what magnets, etc, the energy gain is greater, and thus hopefully find a solution for a continuously rotating device. This is though not relevant for the theoretical research, what is relevant for the theoretical research is overunity when disregarding friction. After all we do research, no one is likely interested in making any practically working device.

[ayeaye]

No, it was not quite right.

When the scales stand still, then the measured force fs is the force to the magnet f, minus the force of friction ff. Because when the scales don't move, then the force of friction works against the force to the magnet.

fs = f - ff

When the scales move with a constant speed, and it doesn't matter with what speed, then the measured force fm is the force to the magnet plus the force of friction. Because when the scales move, the force of friction works against the pulling force of the scales.

fm = f + ff

Thus, when measuring the force starting from some point both when the scales stand still and when the scales move, the force to the magnet is

f = (fs + fm) / 2

And the force of friction is

ff = f - fs

These things are important to know every time we are dealing with friction.