Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment

[sm0ky2]

Follow the link in the first sentence of your own link
This will tell you what Force is.


Newton's second law states that the motion is unhindered.
This is key to understanding what force is.
When motion IS hindered the result is pressure, stress, strain
on the physical materials. The variables necessary to determine
the energy involved are not available in your experiment.
There is no acceleration when there is no relative movement.


The instantaneous value read on your scale applies to that point in the field.
There is an acceleration potential, but that is hindered in the experiment.

Try to follow:
At distance X you measure 1N.
This a force applied to your scale by the field strength AT that point.
at distance X^2, the field strength is 1/4 of its' original value.
In the space between X <-> X^2 the force changes with distance from X.


The actual Force on the magnet F = (change in) (m * B)
Where m is the magnet moment of the magnet, and B is the field strength
at the location measured. Here you see the changing potential energy  at every point between
the two points within the field. These energies can be then summed to get your total.
In this manner you can measure the true energy, irrespective of time.
(up to a degree of accuracy defined by your increments of measure)
As potential (not kinetic) energy.




I will attempt to give you another way of measuring so that your scales can work for your experiment.


Suspend the scales by the tension on the nut/hook
and a string that is wrapped on a pulley connected to a ~0.98Kg weight.
This will calibrate your opposition force.
Zero the scale by holding the hook in place and allowing the weight to set the 1N value.
Now you have the force of gravity applying constant resistance to the magnetic field.
Take several measurements from the starting point to the ending point.
Then plot the change in potential energy over distance by the change in force at each point.


Here you do not need a clock, because you are measuring a change in potential energy. (timeless)


Your field has an integral force. The acceleration is different between every chosen pair of points.
(assuming the value of distance changes between them)
as it accelerates through the field the value of acceleration changes with distance.
When you measure the "pull" on a spring, you are only measuring one location.
Irrespective of time. There can be no energy at only this point.
The energy is in the potential between two points.


Technically speaking, gravity also changes with distance from the earth,
But we can consider it to be "constant" at our human altitudes for the purpose of this experiment.

[ayeaye]

Well, this is what I have. But without a mechanical support at one point it does not work.

Try to make the axis shorter or move the stationary magnets more left and right. Then the axis should sit in the cavity, and maybe you can get rid of the support. Even with support though, the friction of it is very low.

[sm0ky2]

Well, this is what I have. But without a mechanical support at one point it does not work.
Or a spinning top.
https://youtu.be/ya1r--aSYiY

To make it work without a support:
Place two more ring magnets outside of each end
to do the opposite of what the first sets do.
This will stabilize the rotor on the outside and keep it
from flying off.

[sm0ky2]

No, but it is the same energy. If with the same force it moves twice as fast, then there is likely much less mass.

> E=mass x acceleration

No,  force = mass x acceleration , not energy.

sorry i get flustered when I type too fast.
My brain took the derivative and just wrote that down....


That should read something more like mass x the final velocity after acceleration
the point is, Time is accounted for by the equation.
Without the time integral, the closest we can get is to measure the potential between an
infinite number of points across the distance. And use a sub-equivalent conversion of
PE to KE. and there are many reasons we will never achieve the "ideal situation" of
converting 100% of the energy by experiment to agree with our theory.
It is close enough for us to use, but is not a true representation of the energy.
Magnetic fields don't have time.
Every representation of time is due to masses and field strengths which are not known.
(you could weigh your nut but you don't know the inductance, the magnetic moment after
it is magnetized, or the strength of the two combined fields.)




I should also point out that there is a quantity of energy used to induce a magnetic field
in the nut. And the energy required to do this changes also with distance.
If you apply Maxwell's equations you find that this change in energy is the cause of your
assymetry. And total field energy has never changed, except by the quantity you placed into it
while positioning the nut.

[ayeaye]

This small magnet weighs 3 g, if you ever want to know. But for these calculations there is no need to know the weight, neither time.