very simple magnet motor

[lancaIV]

Hello gyula,
did you not read the "Original document"  information ?
The only "important" info-which is not delivered : RPM ?


Hello iadcw,
www.rexresearch.com/monus/monus.htm  as link.

Sincerely
            de Lan?a

[iadcw]

Thanks for all the replys.

Konduct - Thanks for the offer of help. I will need to talk to you Im sure.

lancaIV - Thanks for the link but chapter 6 will need updating. There is another way to get past the 'sticky spot'.

I dont mean to be so vague right now and I cant wait to show and tell somebody what I have. Just a little longer. I need to make a few preperations to protect my work first.

I do have another question. Has anyone seen a PMM work. I think when I finish and this thing is rotating on its on, no matter how slow or fast or how much power it has. Thats the end of the search, right. Its kinda like invention of the first light bulb. It didn't light a sports arena, but improvements to the design, over the years and now it lights a sports arena

[konduct]

I don't think that there is currently undeniable proof of a working PMM.  I'm sure that many innovations may be made to your design to improve it.  The basic principles are the important part.

[iadcw]

When I wrote my first post on a "very simple magnet motor", my wife and I were on a short trip to get away from it all. I had time to think about my idea and decided to offer it on this forum.

I have protected the idea by writing a theory of operation and taking some pictures and sending them certified mail to a lawyer friend of mine. He still has the letters I sent, unopened, in his office.

I decided that I have done enuf to protect my idea.

I got in touch with Konduct thru this forum and we had a very good conversation. He did some drawings in short order and emailed them to me. They are pretty good and show the basic idea very well. I will ask if he can post these drawings.

ANYWAY - here is the idea.

The idea is very simple and has evolved thru several models.
     Magnets attract metal. When you talk to a magnet company about magnets, they mention the power of the magnets in LBS of Pull. This LBS of Pull is always said to be against a 1/4" or thicker piece of metal.
     The magnets have a lot less pull against thinner metal. This can be proven by holding a 1/4" piece of metal over a magnet and then holding a knife edge over a magnet. You can feel the difference in the amout of pull. If you touch a thick piece of steel to a strong magnet, you have to  work to pull it free of the magnet. If you touch a very thin piece of metal to the same magnet, you can pull it free with very little effort. Also, thin metal attracts less at a distance than thick metal. This is the basis for my idea and design.
      My model consists of a center shaft with bearings on each end. 2 pieces of metal are attached to this center shaft. each piece is the same but a mirror image of the other. They are a 1/2 circle, cut so that one end is thick(1/4") and the other end is knife edge thin, and attached to the shaft at an angle to form a Ramp so that a magnet fixed in place will attract the metal and cause it to turn. When fixing this metal ramp to the center shaft, the thick part of the ramp will be farthest from the magnet and the magnetic attraction will cause it to turn to the thinnest part.
      This completes a 180 degree turn of the shaft.
       At this point, the other 1/2 Circle piece of metal is fixed on the shaft in the same manner as the first on the opposite side of the shaft from the first. 1 ramp will be positioned to be on top of the magnet and the other ramp will be positioned so that it is attracted from the opposite side of the magnet.
       At this point in time, the first 1/2 circle ramp has been attracted by the magnet (has turned the shaft)so that the thin part of the ramp is closest to the magnet and the 2nd 1/2 circle ramp is now positioned so that the 1/4" or thickest part of this second ramp is on the opposite side of the magnet and a little farther away than the thin part of the first ramp.
       Since the magnet is attracted to the metal and to the thicker part of the ramp, It will turn the shaft from the thick part of the ramp to thin part of the ramp and "jump the gap" so to speak to the thicker part of the second ramp. It will follow this ramp thru magnetic attraction from thick to thin and "jump the gap" again to get to the thicker metal and then follow that ramp, etc. etc. etc.

I had a model that turned 360 degrees(it jumped 1 gap) and followed the second ramp around but did not jump the second gap.

As I mentioned in my first post, the parts are hard to make. I tried to improve on the 1/2 circle ramps( with heat and a hammer to form the ramp ) and I ruined them (imagine that).

The models were made about five yrs ago. If youve worked on a project like this, you know how easy it is to get off on tangents and try other things(improvements, ha ha). I have thought about how the model I made then followed the ramp and jumped that first gap. It still amazes me to think of seeing it work.

Since that time - I haved moved and am now ready to work on this again as I have the time and the idea is constantly popping into my head. I have come up with a design to make all pieces adjustable so that I should be able to adjust things as needed.

I tried many different models using 2 or more magnets, shields, magnets with gravity wheels, and never had what I would call success. This idea and model is the only thing I've tried that shows real promise.

[CLaNZeR]

Iadcw

Sounds very interesting and could be fun knocking up a test Rig.
Should be easy enough to take the drawings and convert them to Gcode for milling out.

Look forward to seeing the drawings as will give a better understanding.

Regards

Sean.