free energy via electronic means

[hartiberlin]

Stefan his inverter isn't shutting down because of thermodynamics. thermodynamics is essentially the "conservation of energy" police. The sciences and academia well understand what it takes to violate the laws of thermodynamics. but when it comes to upholding the laws they havn't a clue. 

Do you want to tell me, that you can power with all
100 Watts inverters 3000 Watt loads ?
Come on, that just does not work..
The inverters are specially built to their power rating !
Drawing more power from them is just not possible...
They will just overheat and shut down...

[SwinG]

@ring_theory
I better get myself some more batteries.
Could you elaborate a bit more about why this works? Conserving the dipole doesn't say me a lot.

@Stefan
For now I'm on your side about the inverter, but you are thinking conventional EE. After all, who would ever think about putting a system like this together anyway.Ã, 
We also got to take in to account that 3 people have been doing this so far. It seems like it's only my inverter that doesn't follow the "rule".

Update:
@07:43 - 10.56V - terminated. Inverter low voltage alarm.
Couldn't stand the noise of the beep (more like BEEEEEEEEP).

[hartiberlin]

Hi SwinG,
you need a better battery charger probably.
One with real good pulses.

All depends how good these charging pulses are and
if they can keep the battery charged.

I guess, it is probably the same, if you use just 1 battery
or 4 or 5 batteries.
Maybe it helps to place a big electrolyte
capacitor parallel with the battery.

Did you get all in all more energy out, than you did
put in by charging the battery from the grid in the first place ?

Also it could be, if you have a cheap inverter, which puts out this
"pseudo sinewave" , which is more like
0 Volts /  plus 320 Volts / 0 Volts / minus 320 Volts /  0 Volts
and so on and on...
so it is a switched "square"-voltage with a time interval of Zero Volts between...
then you might not get the right waveforms out of the battery charger..
If your battery charger is just a transformer with a graetz rectifier bridge in
there, it might not run well on the
"pseudo sinewave"  of the inverter...as the transformer probably
does not work with these pulses...

You really need to check with a scope,
what kind of pulse wave comes out of your battery charger
in this configuration...

A better setup in your case might be, to have the
battery charger connected to the grid and charge the
battery, but also apply a load via the inverter to the battery
and see, if you get more power constantly out of it
all the time as you need to charge the battery all the time...

So if you connect a 100 Watts bulbs via the inverter to your battery
and your battery charger
just only needs 50 Watts from the grid all the time you also have
2:1 overunity output.
Maybe your battery charger works much better from
the real sine wave from the grid....

[Walter Hofmann]

Hello stefan,
I follow this since it showed up here, its amazing to me how it is explained but substantial the same like we was talking two years ago.
to the facts ring theory is right one battery wont do it but my system with the 1,000W inverter what puts out a quasi sinus wave works perfect with only two big batteries 850 CCAmps like described and a charger set to deep cycle 10A. What is also right the cross over part what wass strang to me also because I was the opinion that if I bridge the batterie poles it would be the same doesnt matter if you put the load and the charger on the same contact but it isnt. I regards to the inverter my 1,000W inverter what isd a cherokee type does not shut off up to 1,500W ether but my 3,000W shuts off allready by 3,800W.
I am also on your site if you say a 100W inverter can not handle more then 300W and then shuts off. my charger puts out coming from the quasi sinus wave of the inverter with a similar wave just that the wave is then more pushed towards a stair wave what is probably the reason that the batteries bring this much.
To the inverter my 1,000W inverter pulls only 550mA no load and around 30A by full load,even the 3,000W inverter pulls just 750mA and around 75A by full load I measured it.
I also took  the transformer from another charger with the rectifier what is not a bridge is a two way and tested them they can and probably give more then 10 A all the way to 17A without any temperature rising. the charger circuit in ordinairy charger only works on the voltage difference and does not check for current and because the there is a quasi sinus wave coming in and is pushed thrue the charger also even change to a stair type it works on the batteries like a pulscharger where the current follows the the stair and is much higher at the tip then at the bottom.
you can see this on a scope and a analog amp meter.
I just wana ad my expierience from my now two year old system.
greetings
walt

Hi SwinG,
you need a better battery charger probably.
One with real good pulses.

All depends how good these charging pulses are and
if they can keep the battery charged.

I guess, it is probably the same, if you use just 1 battery
or 4 or 5 batteries.
Maybe it helps to place a big electrolyte
capacitor parallel with the battery.

Did you get all in all more energy out, than you did
put in by charging the battery from the grid in the first place ?

Also it could be, if you have a cheap inverter, which puts out this
"pseudo sinewave" , which is more like
0 Volts /  plus 320 Volts / 0 Volts / minus 320 Volts /  0 Volts
and so on and on...
so it is a switched "square"-voltage with a time interval of Zero Volts between...
then you might not get the right waveforms out of the battery charger..
If your battery charger is just a transformer with a graetz rectifier bridge in
there, it might not run well on the
"pseudo sinewave"  of the inverter...as the transformer probably
does not work with these pulses...

You really need to check with a scope,
what kind of pulse wave comes out of your battery charger
in this configuration...

A better setup in your case might be, to have the
battery charger connected to the grid and charge the
battery, but also apply a load via the inverter to the battery
and see, if you get more power constantly out of it
all the time as you need to charge the battery all the time...

So if you connect a 100 Watts bulbs via the inverter to your battery
and your battery charger
just only needs 50 Watts from the grid all the time you also have
2:1 overunity output.
Maybe your battery charger works much better from
the real sine wave from the grid....

[pg46]

Hi ring_theory and the rest

First - thanks to ring_theory for kindly and patiently sharing this information with us all.

I am giving this setup a try but am not having much luck thus far. Maybe ring_theory or any of you guys can sort it out for me.
Here's what I have - 5  12volt batteries at 5 amp each. Some are new and some are not so can't verify their condition. (by the way I am one of those dummies that cannot see what difference it makes what number of batteries one uses except of course in amperage capacity from say 3 batteries to 5 )
I have a 100 watt inverter(12 DC to 220v) - 90% efficient.
I have a 5 amp battery charger
I have a 6 watt 12 volt light bulb

I have charged up all batteries and connected them in parallel. I connected the battery charger and inverter across all of the batteries.
Together the inverter and battery charger use about 66 watts. I added to the system(direct off the batteries) the twelve volt bulb which draws another 6 watts. So now I have about 72 watts in appliances connected.
I am losing at least 1/2 volt/hour. My inverter gets pretty hot but not dangerously so. My battery charger makes a continuous buzzing noise but does not heat up much.
I don't have a scope and don't know anything about what kind of wave the charger is creating.
I haven't yet tried to load the system more than the 100 watt rating of the inverter yet so i don't know the maximum capacity. But it is clear that I am losing power in the battery system and so it doesn't look like OU to me.
Am I setup properly here or am I missing something?

Look forward to any comments and thanks in advance