Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?

[Ilya Tsimbaluk]

Greetings. Your Russian friend is not quite in the Middle Ages, but this does not mean that you could surpass the ideas of Umov, Poynting, Heaviside.

You start jogging with your ideas. which have nothing to do with my idea. Since I understand you are considering an idea. to which Lorentz was committed, who believed that Ether or the intermediate medium was immovable.
But you apparently do not use the words carried away Ether, partially carried away or completely carried away. But there is also such a thing as Dynamical Ether. And there are hypotheses about this. But if you had on hand, after long ordeals, a really working device. I think that you would probably consider the processes differently. You decided that for the transfer of energy, with the help of which the medium is used, which, under conditions of close-range interactions, must have energy, and therefore have an equivalent mass, you would not say so.

The problem is that you are just stuck in the ideas of the Middle Ages, although the same Hevside proposed the idea. which Casimir used in the Casimir effect, it is just that photons or so-called electrons are just born in the Dirac sea, we call this moer today the Physical Vacuum. But I have the word Vacuum because of your perception of the seeming emptiness to perceive the environment as a vacuum, just not to your taste.

You are telling me something on Thomson's pipe. But at the same time, for some reason, you did not bother to look at the fact that the gas flow does not require finding the electrode itself in the tube itself. Glow can occur if the electrode is not in it. Therefore, the movement of the "electron" from the cathode is simply excluded. What this speaks in favor of Hertz's hypothesis. who gave his idea that this is an indication of the interaction of gas with EM waves. The very same glow is photons, that is why they are cathode rays. which to the cathode itself. as a physical body have no relation. And the counting is the result of EM waves with the gas itself as a physical body, where this energy in the form of a photon comes out in the visible spectrum and nothing more.

You are just stuck in the ecology of Coulomb's time, who proposed an experiment with a torsion balance, in which there are two physical bodies in the form of a ball and Electromagnetic fields. which cannot be a separate substance from the environment itself, and it is precisely that which, in essence, is the very manifestation of the environment. Otherwise, all the silde interactions in the Coulomb torsion balance would have come from emptiness. And this is a complete discrepancy with your ignorance.

You are just stuck in the ecology of Coulomb's time, who proposed an experiment with a torsion balance, in which there are two physical bodies in the form of a ball and Electromagnetic fields. which cannot be a separate substance from the environment itself, and it is precisely that which, in essence, is the very manifestation of the environment. Otherwise, all force interactions in the Coulomb's torsional balance would come from emptiness. And this is a complete discrepancy with your ignorance.

I will not be surprised. if you are stuck in the idea that in a classical generator the energy in the conductor or winding is induced from the generator shaft. There is no such agent. which could transform the rotation of the shaft into the entry of energy from "your" emptiness, according to Poyngting-Heaviside, into the conductor itself.

If everything is not so, please tell me at least one working device. in which there is. what are you looking for? If yes - I am ready to take your point of view. If not, then all your reasoning has no practical basis.

[stivep]

PART #1 answer  to :

Your Russian friend is not quite in the Middle Ages, but this does not mean that you could surpass the ideas of Umov, Poynting, Heaviside.

Chronologically :
I asked you to get out of Middle-ages of Russian Science.

Historical Middle-ages was:
The period of European history from the fall of the Roman Empire in the West (5th century)
to the fall of Constantinople (1453), or, more narrowly, from c.1000 to 1453.
Russia didn't EVEN gain  from  SCIENCE IN  period of classical antiquity   as Russia didn't exist yet.
Rus' state started  in  862 and was ruled ruled by Vikings.

But Homo erectus  migrated from Western Asia to the North Caucasus (archaeological site of Kermek) about 2 million years ago,
And  you as an representative of modern Homo erectus are standing in front of me now asking me to go back to year1644.

Nothing wrong my dear Russian friend .. we are all  animals - mammals.   
Aren't we?
 

I must agree that  ether(also spelled aether) was introduced into science by Descartesin Principia philosophiae in1644.
by René Descartes.....    but  Russia  was than  in middle ages yet. as East was   changing much  slower.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_Philosophy

The West  surpassed  the East, after centuries of inferiority, in the exploitation of the physical world.

https://www.britannica.com/science/history-of-science/The-rise-of-modern-science

_{AND THAT IS why I HAVE ASKED YOU TO GET OUT OF Russian MIDDLE-AGES.}
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The history right before " modern science"  :

the emergence of modern science during the early modern period, when developments in mathematics, physics, astronomy, biology (including human anatomy) and chemistry transformed the views of society about nature.^{[1][2][3][4][5][6]}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution
The  observation,  identification,  description,  experimental  investigation,  and  theoretical  explanation  of  phenomena: new advances in science and technology, science of astronomy.
World was changing  and speeding up but EAST was  lagging behind with its Tzars _{( Russian king)}
and Russia was continuing   their - Archaic Knowledge,  especially  that  gained  through  experience.

With the scientific revolution, paradigms established in the time of classical antiquity were replaced with those
of scientists like Nicolaus Copernicus, Galileo Galilei, Christiaan Huygens and Isaac Newton.^[135]
During the 19th century, the practice of science became professionalized and institutionalized in ways
that continued through the 20th century. As the role of scientific knowledge grew in society, it became
incorporated with many aspects of the functioning of nation-states.^[136]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science#Modern_science
THERE WERE NO RUSSIANS THERE  YET ... science  didn't go there  that fast.
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Modern Science :
By the end of the 19th century,  (by Sir Francis Bacon,)
Science was moving ahead on all fronts, reducing ignorance and producing new tools for the amelioration of the human condition
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The ether:

look at  Part#2  right below


Wesley

opinion expressed is entirely my own according to constitution   of USA

[stivep]

PART#2

Dmitri Ivanovich Mendeleev  Дмитрий Иванович Менделеев, 8 February 1834 – 2 February 1907
-chemist and inventor,  best remembered for formulating the Periodic Law and creating a farsighted version of the periodic table of elements.
Between 1859 and 1861, he worked on the capillarity of liquids and the workings of the spectroscope in Heidelberg.
But if we compare today's Periodic Table and science it is much changed  .
And that is what "some"  Russian Pride  has a problem  with.
Please note  that he died  in 1907  10 years  before 1917 when everything  collapsed in Russia, due to  Soviet Revolution .
At  his death Einstein  Theory of relativity was only 2 years old.
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The ether:

The ether  was introduced into science by Descartesin Principia philosophiae in1644.
The ether(also spelled aether) was a concept in physics and it was made obsolete in 1905 by Einstein's theory of special relativity.

Umov, Poynting, Heaviside:
1.The Poynting vector is the watt per square metre (W/m ) was discovered byJohn Henry Poynting  in 1884.
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poynting_vector
2.Oliver Heaviside (1850–1925), the value of which is zero for negative arguments and one for positive arguments.
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaviside_step_function
3.Nikolay Alekseevich Umov (Russian: Никола́й Алексе́евич У́мов;1846 – 15, 1915)
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Umov

For some  of these scientists theory of relativity and quantum physic was so much  unorthodox    and it came to late..
Umov  with his :  E = kmc2 with 0,5 ≤ k ≤ 1 as early as in 1873 was very close to later fame of Albert Einstein  .

Umov in 1874 had already solved a problem of the movement of energy in liquid and elastic media in completely generalized view.
However, the intense attention to this view has been attracted only after Poynting had presented a stream
of electromagnetic energy based on Maxwell equations [ten years later than Umov's publications].
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_{immediately after 1917 till today alcoholism  become not only russian problem but was widely spread to all occupied/controlled  by Soviet union territory as drunk man is half of his power to protest and very drunk Russian is powerless.}

Written to all Russian human animals - mammals:
https://gradesfixer.com/free-essay-examples/dont-be-such-an-animal-placing-humankind-among-the-mammals-in-descent-of-man/

Darwin says, "monkeys have a strong taste for tea, coffee, and spirituous liquors: they will also, as I have myself seen, smoke tobacco with pleasure" (Darwin, 23).

And here  we are at  very center of  our Russian Friend  confusion.
As I said I have very great respect to Russians as a people but that is all about that, and not much more than that..
No their history nor their structure, or set of values  since 1917 to its present governing and structural reality
is worth your stress and emotion my  dear Western World  readers.

But I had to  point at that  AS IT IS IMPORTANT  TO OUR EXPLANATION  why EATHER  died in 1905 and some of us still talks about it.





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In  1 January 1865 J. Clerk Maxwell (13 June 1831 – 5 November 1879) published his
A Dynamical Theory of the Electromagnetic Field
http://www.bem.fi/library/1865-001.pdf
It was a great 4  formulas we use till today  .
that was foundation  the basis for  Albert Einstein  1905 revelation.
But he  was evolving in world  that had not yet  better theory  than  theory of Ether
The ether, in the view of Maxwell and almost all physicists at that time, permeates all space and has many of the characteristics of a polarizable dielectric.
Maxwell was of the opinion that terrestrial optical experiments aimed at determining Fresnel's ether drag, which is quadratic [i.e., of order (v/c)²],
are not sensitive enough to detect the influence of the drag.
just remember that he was mathematician  only..

The ether concept became especially predominant in the 19th century by the work of Young and Fresnel who revived Huygens' wave theory of light. 
They replaced Newton's light corpuscles by waves propagating through the ether. In order to explain stellar aberration, first observed in the 1720s and
then shown to be caused by the velocity of Earth relative to the velocity of Newton's light corpuscles, Young (1804) assumed ether to be in a state of
absolute rest.  Maxwell  showed in the 1860s that light waves are electromagnetic waves transverse (perpendicular) to the direction
of the propagation  of the waves.
Following Young and Fresnel,  Maxwell assumed that electromagnetic waves are vibrations of the ether.
The Michelson-Morley Experiment
Albert Abraham Michelson disagreed with Maxwell, judging that it was possible to observe quadratic effects on Earth.
he built an interferometer that was sensitive enough to detect effects of the order (v/c)² and tried  to determine the speed v of Earth with respect to the ether.
Michelson aimed to measure the speed of the "ether wind".
Edwin Williams Morley, a chemist from Western Reserve University, also in Cleveland. They built an new interferometer
and in August 1887 they measured again a null effect (a speed of  4.7 km/s or less was found, while 30 km/s was expected). [8

Heinrich Rudolf Hertz
in the mid-1880s when Heinrich Rudolf Hertz  was able to generate waves of the kind predicted by Maxwell.
(Hertz produced electromagnetic waves of wavelengths from a  centimeter to a meter, much longer than the wavelengths
of visible light that are on the order of 500 nm).
IT WAS The LAST DAYS OF ETHER .


SO WHAT ELSE WAS GOING ON THERE AT THAT TIME:

In the 19th century it was known that transverse waves are not possible in a gas or a liquid, but only in a solid; 
hence ether was thought to have solid-like properties.
Since light  behaves in closed rooms the same as in open fields, and many materials are transparent to light,
ether was assumed to fill up all of space and all of matter.
Thus, at the end of the 19th century physicists had  a picture of the ether as a quasi-rigid  solid
(not completely rigid because it can vibrate), luminiferous (light carrying) medium that is  massless and transparent,
at absolute rest, and present everywhere.
Today, the concept of ether does not play a role any longer in physics,

Newton
Newton in  1675  suggested:

-three mechanisms by which light may proceed through the ether.
-"multitudes of unimaginable small and swift corpuscles of various sizes springing from shining bodies"

Hooke's and Huygens' in (1642 – 1727).

All space is permeated by an elastic medium or aether, which is capable of propagating vibrations.
This aether pervades the pores of all material bodies and is the cause of their cohesion; its density varies from
one body to another, being greatest in the free interplanetary spaces.

Thomas Young and Augustin-Jean Fresnel.
Thomas Young revived the undulatory (wave) theory of light in 1800.^[4].
He noticed that Newton's emission theory:
a light source emits corpuscles—had problems with the interference
of light and with the simultaneous refraction and reflection of light falling under an angle on the surface of water.
Augustin-Jean Fresnel. Both  recognized that  stellar aberration needed to be explained by undulatory theory.
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Ether in the second half of the 19th century:
Michael Faraday,
one of the fathers of electromagnetism, had a strong dislike of hypothetical entities for which no convincing experimental evidence existed.
he was  skeptical about the existence of the ether.

Oliver Heaviside
1889 Oliver Heaviside, one of the founding fathers of electromagnetic theory, impacted Ether  good !!:^[11]
His question of the motion of the ether.:
-Does it move when "bodies" move through it, or does it remain at rest?
-what is the speed of the Earth and light on Earth with respect to the ether.
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Decline of the ether (1905)
At the end of the 19th century the ether served two purposes:
-first and foremost it was a transport medium for electromagnetic vibrations.
-Secondly it offered an absolute frame of reference.

The death knell of the ether tolled in 1905, when Einstein published his special theory of relativity.^{[13] [14]}
Einstein assumed that an absolute reference frame does not exist and, even more than that, he showed that physics is not in need of such a frame.
He declared that all inertial frames are equivalent, one cannot prefer one over another (see special relativity). At one stroke he solved the problem of the speed of light, too:
-this speed is the same in any inertial frame, and is independent of
the velocity that a frame may have with respect to any of the infinitely many other inertial frames. In his 1905 paper Einstein refers to the ether only once:
The introduction of a "luminiferous aether" (Lichtäther) will prove to be superfluous inasmuch as the view here to be developed will not require an "absolutely stationary space"
provided with special properties, nor assign a velocity vector to a point of the empty space in which electromagnetic processes take place.

Defenders of the ether still remained after 1905, however, since a number of physicists failed to read or understand Einstein,
and those who did, came only gradually to a full appreciation of its impact on the ether.
Not until about 1910 did the general opinion of physicists shift away from the ether.
Among the more stubborn hold-outs were Oliver Lodge, A. A. Michelson, and Joseph John Thomson.
This older group of physicists gradually died out and was replaced by a new generation that had grown
up with Einstein's theory and for which ether was an esoteric historical concept like phlogiston.

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history of ether/eather is here  click on that link



So why we have problem with our Russian friend here  :

look in PART #3
Wesley


opinion expressed is entirely my own according to constitution   of USA

[stivep]

PART #3
So why we have problem with our Russian friend here  :

In 1917 group of Russians decided to  dethrone the Tzar ( king of Russia)
Russians murdered Tzar with his wife, his children,  his servants, and children of his servants including  their pets  in 1918.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_the_Romanov_family
started WW2 together and cooperating with with Hitler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#:
in September 17 1939  after invasion in Finland and Baltic's countries?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
That is what  Stalin did  toRussian science.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science
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Russia  changed to Soviet Union  known  as CCCP:
In 1961 however Soviet Union  had in full motion the best ever Russian invention
The system of Russian Education.
That system started in Stalin time
but in 1961 till 1990 it was in its most perfected from .
It was system of oppression when everything that was  from Western World  was bad and
everything in Soviet  Oppression and terror system was good .

Soviet education system was  for free at every level and helped not only Soviet. Russia
but other countries under soviet terror to get  the best in the world wide education .
As much as Scientists were imprisoned  and working as slaves in Russian Sharahskah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharashka
for them it was better than death.

Sergei Korolev 1907 – 14 January 1966)
was tortured  in Rusian concentration kamp and  made possible
for Russians to  send Gagarin to space ..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev
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so what was so good in that Russian education system: ?
Stalin and all soviet regimes killed more  people than  the number of totally  lost in battle in WW2 by every country involved.
Some figures oscillate between 40- 75 millions but even if we cut it in half it is still minimum 25 millions
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_repression_in_the_Soviet_Union

So he was in need to have  replacement for these who  were "eliminated" - liquidated  by terror and its troiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_troika

Education was very broad  including art , (singing,  playing instruments, sculpture,painting)
Russian and  Polish and Czechoslovakian , and Rumanian,  Hungarian... all of them they had  long school hours and
- "no sorry .. you must perform!!!"
Millions of  very broadly educated people were better  than any nation in the world in almost everything ..
Yes it is hard to believe in it  right?
Typical Russian could draw , sing, repair car, saw, project and build a house, weld, work on
lathe and milling machine  - the  nation of omnibuses..
People  there were living in constant fear .
They didn't know  any longer what they are  afraid of .. That fear made them to learn
because if they don't than!!!.... Well they didn't have any longer  any  idea what the consequences are ...
Nothing was set,  Fear was like a sickens, you could live with it  somehow, and even forget that you are in pain.


For Stalin terror  it was good.
If he was in need to arrest or terminate  anyone, it was always  an army  of people with similar skills ready to
take their place.

Think about  factory of spare parts:
And you have  plenty parts  waiting just to be  used so you as a tzar can brake every rules of humanity
and your mechanism is still operational.

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Western World didn't have such  broad education and was not in need for it.
That made people becoming narrow professionals but  extremely good one

1  Russian could  do that what 10 different  Americans could do but it took him 20 times longer
as he was not good in anything   yet.
Yes thanks to  being  educated  in so many fields  Russians adapted very quickly
and that  helped them survive and succeed if they were lucky to  run form Soviet  territory.
Western system of values was just better  for  narrow professionalism and high level of skills.
Civilization is ruled by  need to  learn quick,become good, make money .
Narrow  professionals need others who are  narrowly good in something else.

THERE IS NO APPLICATION  FOR  OMNIBUSES-
Genius of kids.. is recognized  by speed  of collecting knowledge and skills but doesn't have application.
It is just  a public attraction.

Second problem for Soviet Union was that educated people have needs other than only
basic  survival.  That created opposition and made more scientists to be killed or imprisoned.
After collapse of  CCCP in 1990  there was  banditism , mafia, poverty
and collapse of  everything including soviet system of education.

The new mutant was born on the  dirt of CCCP :
-the Russian Federation that is till now for past 21 years
ruled by  Putin.
Propaganda:
Again if something was done and it was not Russian it is bad...
All media belongs or are under control of Russian government
Science is politically  and ideologically controlled .
You are no longer  rewarded by your scientific  value but by
bribes, connections, theft, falsification of someone  else work .

2 days ago Russian government decided that they can steal
any inventor  intellectual property because they need the technology .
can you believe it?
https://www.ip-watch.org/2016/04/18/russia-new-amendments-would-allow-use-of-inventions-without-permission-of-patent-holders/

Old teachers died out .
New teachers  earn around $170 per month.
The young  Russians are looking to way out from Russia.
101 years from  Russian revolution Russia is going down.

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Russian Nation  is  very much driven by national values, love to the country 
intensified by propaganda pointing  at their  achievement ..
It is easier  to  make zombi brains  instead of paying  for the brains.
by that  any form of criticism of Russian science or anything that is Russian  is
in Russia punished by law.

Example:
Even standing on the street  with empty piece of paper in your  hands - is considered protest up to 3 years in prison.
For "like" under video or twit  sometime  people get 7 years of heavy prison.
Russian Constitution says something  but life in Russia says something else.




Conclusions:
In all of it  that is me  who with  all respect to our Russian friend  is making  comments and in Russia  I would be punished  by law.
I wish him the best  I can
I would love to  see him here in New York USA where most of us is/are not  that widely educated as Russians
that already died  out naturally  or with help  of  Soviet Terror.
And new ones  grow up as no longer  omnibuses as  soviet  system  doesn't exist any longer.


The worst  and most difficult task is to explain  to some Russians that they are fundamentally mistaken.
Some  of them are brainwashed  and aggression is their  form of  reaction  in such...
Criticism is not about  insulting you Ilyia but about  civilized way to  show you that you are totally wrong.
I can be wrong too.... but not at this time.

Instead of trying to dispute  with  Ilyia about his  challenges in science and "Dynamic Eather"
https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Essays-Gravity/Download/5055
by Lew Paxton Price
I decided to  create  explanation  of evolution and  history of Ether/Eather and how science  rejected it.

For these who still have problem with it  there is  fundamental question:
Show me  just one  convincing  explanation of Eather in wikipedia  or  any  scientific publication.

https://www.tau
Wesley
Legal note :
opinion expressed is entirely my own according to constitution   of USA

[Ilya Tsimbaluk]

Greetings, I don't have a lot of time to conduct controversy, since I now spend a lot of time experimenting and organizing my own projects. I will try to explain one point - Einstein is not an engineer, and most likely. that he did not hold a soldering iron in his hands. All Einstein did was to pack some of the work beautifully. which he, as a showman, was able to popularize. Questions. which he tried to consider in the theory of relativity and the special theory of relativity is a mathematical continuation of Lawrence's attempt to explain some phenomena by the method of mathematical abstraction. But the mathematical abstraction built on motionless or other ethers was correct. except for the hypothesis of motionless ether. Lorenz could not give an explanation of inertia, although some American scientists who introduced the concept of Ether made just an attempt to explain what inertia is, as a certain state of Physical Vacuum, which manifests itself in no way carried away or motionless, but dynamic. This logic of thinking appeals to me. Because these explanations do not help in considering those processes. which I consider in my experiments.

But the interaction of the physical body and the Physical Vacuum (Ether) is a more complex concept than Lorentz's clumsy attempts to explain it. because this is a more complex topic than just shrinking or transforming in space and time coordinates.