Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?

[lancaIV]

Hello Ilya,when You look "in the western" about "industrial price politics" in the last decades You will see as one extreme example the at first " b2b" and later "b2c" instrument called : video-recorder !
Grundig as first developper from the "audio/video magnetic tape"-player/-recorder,"Grundig2000".
First "b2b" market price in the 70' : 50 000 Deutsche Mark each.( A Mercedes car price in End-70')

Some years later the japanese industry entered the market with Beta and VHS :from 50 000 DM the price dropped to 5 000 DM ,ten years later 1000 DM average.It was the time when the CD and some years later  DVD were introduced from lab to market .

Today this Grundig2000 video-recorder with same/ better function You get as CD/DVD-player fob factory for 25 US$ :
                                                         1/1000 price drop
Industrial mass production process machine patent rights lost ( utility model 10 years / technical patent 20 years :when rights granted !) ,the production object : the consumer good patent rights lost ,the material production process patent right lost :
this restriction barrier over the given time let drop the total consumer end price :from market entrance price after latest 20 years  -90%/-99% less to pay !

Or : there is an international price cartell to hold the price high(er) ! Interests ! Credit-market !


When we think in electronics,we mean : controle ! And this happens by software/ logic app .Here we have industrial " Copyright",for the other side "freeware/low cost shareware" !For the same app service we ,as private user,can pay 1000 units or upload - for free !

About material price drop : Wacker silicon/silicium -chip/solar cell grade- production - Monopol(e) in the 80'/90'
to now 8 US$/Kg Oxford Uni production process costs ! More than 90% less !

It is about solution research&development&availability : ( real physical) free trade !
Industrial/commercial price transparency ! In local cash market/ in un-/controlled credit markets !

(Ready to use) Production units per day/hour/minutes !
Observing the peswiki listed trials we see also that most fails does not happen during market competiton,but before : inventor(-s)/investors their worth/influence overestimation and by this project mismanagement !

       Economial LOGIC
Since 30 years the industry had the opportunity to save over 50% electricity by power factor controlled permanent magnet motors use :
   
probably only 1/20 applied this opportunity !
It is cheaper to pay 125 US$ for a conventional electric motor than 375 US$ for the optimized controlled PM counterpart : these 250 US$ probably for a 10 years use tool with 1 year R.O.I. !

It is also true : the difference between conventional electric motor and controlled PM motor has not be such high,2021 probably - by top quality management : the same production costs - in factory and fob production machine  !

250 US$ were over-head/marketing margins : not existing in restriction/barrier free 3/4d print culture !
Scan2C.A.D.        C.A.D.2C.N.C.         C.N.C.2mill/laser/plasmatorch

We are from the 80' DECKEL-MAHO-GILDEMEISTER generation and freeware : TURBO-C.N.C.
And in wait that metglas-permalloy laminates will become as cheap as conventional " dynamoblech":

                                                               ≤ 5 US$/Kg( fob factory)

                                                                from 25 US$/Kg and more !



https://m.portuguese.alibaba.com/promotion/promotion_permalloy-promotion-list.html




It is common that factory prices are not "real/net",because "export incentives" by the several estates !


beside "money laundering" = Geldwaesche we see also an international "price laundering"= Preiswaesche  as industrial politics by the estates !


Unit "List price"               less a. : up to 50% mass buy discount                         less  b.  export incentive !








best example for "manipulated markets" Wesley his experience about price/worth,#178 :


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Don't be surprised if I have your $3000  device and  $1000 motor for  just 15 dollars.


I bought really expensive  $119000  Aeroflex synthesizer  generator for $150 from military contractor, and  years ago, my first   (half of a million dollars  microscope) for  $100My second  one wasn't that cheap;


Often it  helps to know what lab closes forever, as they must to provide  a proof that  equipment financed by government was offered for sale or given as a donation.


90% of all sales is for US citizens only and we  often have no rights to resale it outside of USA.

......."


We have to differ "internal US$" value and "external US$" value ( internal/external EURO) ,similar PPP calculation: spread in average 37/1




US$ and EURO are "not really free" currencies , if not cash market exchange related !




Price fixing by private ,profit-oriented,  companies , "inter-banking" agreement (and interest) !




When Wesley wrote about 3 700 000 US$  patrimony and we take George Bush his US/Afghanistan  ratio  : 2 000 000 /20 000


( some could mean : rassistic arrogance ! but based by common :
  https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versicherungsmathematik )




this deducts to 37 000 US$  in local -Afghanistan- patrimony worth !


real Kg-classical economy rules based PPP


https://www.ig.com/en/trading-strategies/what-is-purchasing-power-parity--ppp---191106#:~:text=Purchasing%20power%20parity%20(PPP)%20is,the%20currencies%20have%20been%20exchanged.




compared : https://www.testequipmentdepot.com/usedequipment/aeroflex/fs5000b18.htm
                  https://www.testequipmentdepot.com/usedequipment/pdf/fs5000.pdf

                 page 5 19-20 lbs weight = average 8,5 Kg
                 
                  $81,995.00 / 8,5 Kg = + IVA :  > 10 000 US$ per Kg tool 
                  ( exzellenter "ins Gehirn geschissen" Preis,   Pardon-me for the vulgarity,but: STIMMT !  
                                                    Das Kredit-Proletariat hat mich sozial verzogen !   )


                   150 US$/8,5 Kg ,   OKAY ! BEST FAIR PRICE MANAGEMENT !



If in the future  millionaires look for food in garbage cans then the question arises:
what / who defines "MILLIONAIRS"?! In debits ?


It seems international we have a growing "finance positive"-society ,but "positive" is negative ! Clear,is it not ?!  

[stivep]

I will rewrite  your response a little:

// the user may pay for software or have it for free for a month or so..//
//competition kills product despite how much inventor and investor paid  for it.//
//energy efficient motors are only 20% of market, as they are more expensive, despite fact that production cost and  machinery is the same//
//It is cheaper to pay 125 US$ for a conventional electric motor than 375 US$ for the optimized controlled PM one.//
//metglas-permalloy laminates becomes incredibly cheap.//
//internal value is different that outside of USA value of the goods//
//https://www.testequipmentdepot.com/usedequipment/aeroflex/fs5000b18.htm//

The 80' DECKEL-MAHO-GILDEMEISTER CNC is dream  for me to have just  to look at it and touch it.
But unfortunate is that  most of audience here  doesn't know what I'm talking about.
My love is German, Swiss, beauties of technology, and they are by my standards,  the best  human civilization
has ever made in its entire history of evolution.
Russia manifests its "victory" in WW2 and from history perspective they are total losers.
It was Germany that  won the war after  45 years of soviet occupation and the Fall of Berlin wall
cold-war/berlin-wall
from perspective of present time in comparison to the past:
- Russian Federation is the third world  feudal country
- Germany is the center of the dreams of almost every  non-brainwashed  Russian.
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The synthesizer I have, was much more expensive  than Aeroflex FS5000B-18
It is Aeroflex 5220 and is so unique that  in entire world of eBay, you have none of them for sale for years.
At the time of  its production its price was compatible with  purchase of a house in suburban  New York.
Obsolescence as a mechanism makes cheap prices.  Planned_obsolescence
Buyer doesn't care about  saving on electricity, he needs the tool to make more money as long as end user  pays for it.
America is over-saturated with machinery, equipment, tools of the past. We could resale it outside of USA for good money but,
we are the country of laws,  and if I sign document saying not for sale outside of USA, I will  obey the law.
In contrast: In Eastern Europe regimes, almost everything can be stolen, and you can buy it, but they have not much to offer. 

_{Legal note : opinion expressed in entirely my own according to  American constitution.}
Wesley

[Ilya Tsimbaluk]

Greetings.

What you can see in the picture is a repository of my old experiments. In order to check certain hypotheses - I use the means at hand. Therefore, for this, everything comes into play. what is at hand.

As for the economy, it goes to reduce the cost and in fact we are moving either towards socialism or communism in the presence of capitalism. On the other hand, technologies allow us to perform certain actions more and more for a lower price. on the other hand, the Western World, like the "comic" one, also lives according to market laws. all laws are created by people.

It's hard for me to say something about Switzerland or Germany. I have never been there and it is difficult for me to do diffusion. But I guess. that the standard of living in these countries is different from life in Russia or Belarus. Just like life itself in Russia is different. There are Muscovites and residents of St. Petersburg who differ in the standard of living of people from the provinces.
USA needs satellites. which are donlers of the economy from which the United States is siphoning resources. the USA is also trying to be the financial capital of the world. Therefore, in fact, yes, as Elon Musk said, the United States is a country of opportunity, and this is already a cliché.

As far as technology obsolescence or pricing goes, I'm not at that level right now. to think about it so deeply. At the moment, I am now delving into the calculations of the Schmitt trigger based on NOT gates. Therefore, it is difficult to somehow pull your business, along the way to engage in experiments in terms of time.

Now my focus is on the technical side. This is more important now, because there is no technology - everything else is meaningless.

[Ilya Tsimbaluk]

Now at the moment my head hurts not only for that. to make experiments related to non-obvious. but also related to obvious things. One of the schemes. which we are trying to implement is to create a mother's laboratory in which we could be engaged in small prototyping and the manufacture of electric vehicles, which would allow us to have the finances to retain or expand the team, on the other hand, the presence of metalworking and other equipment. with the help of which it would be possible to earn money and at the same time be able to pay rent for premises and so on.

But there are some but. It would seem that there is a market and it is saturated. But we have customers. which we could offer small electric transport, but now. in order to resolve issues with equipment, we have to deal with some small things, which takes a lot of time. And it turns out. that the Chinese product has simply lost its relevance in terms of quality.

there are difficulties. But now, due to consumerism, there are no high-quality and luxury things, that's that. what I observe in the post-Soviet space.

now I'm looking at that. what Elon Musk is doing. He's trying to build awesome cars.

But of course, with electric vehicles we have problems with flight range and the ability to lift weight. But no matter how the propaganda works, in most cases we all use internal combustion engines and in fact we still use a kerosene lamp under the soot.

Since childhood, I would have liked to have some kind of vehicle, but to be honest, I'm a fan of the railway. I have a weird thing since childhood when I ride trains.

But the point is. that making cool things about transportation in terms of design and yet affordable to the consumer is one of those things. which I would like to influence.

But these are all flights to the future. in fact, I still need to lower it to level 4. in which we make pistols at 5, and get the minimum product to demonstrate.

But after that. how we will conduct the experiment. Each Expert Advisor now takes half a year. so it's not all that simple in terms of thinking about a bright and wonderful future. But I live by some kind of vision putting absolutely everything on the line.

[Ilya Tsimbaluk]

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Wesley - write, there is an option to call

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