Hydrogen engine limits

[GraffixWB]

okAy. i haven't posted here much but I have an idea that has probably been tried. I was thinking pretty basically and wanted to strap a bunch or alternators to a KA motor(nissan 4cyl) , which I have left over from a swap, for electrolysis. will I be able to produce enough power to generate enough gas to keep it going? I'm nmot trying to fit it into a car or anything. I just want to get a working exaple to start off of in my garage and work from there. the goal is to get off of the grid with WATER ONLY. no solar, no FF, no wind.

I have searched but have only found BS (joe cell and basic hydrogen suplimentation).i want to have it rn TOTALLY on a  water based fuel and FREE(- repairs and such)

please help me out!!!!

[pg46]

Hi-

There is quite a lot of information about hydrogen systems over at

www.oupower.com

Happy reading and best of luck with your experiments

[Dingus Mungus]

I have a suggestion but not a solution. First and foremost I would contact user Mramos about his experiments in the same area of research. Secondly I suggest you buy and machine some SS316 plate (stainless steel grade 316). The closer the plates are in proximity the less energy expended by the ions in travel. Load your stainless steel tank with NaOH which will further aid in reducing the power consumption. The major benefit to the SS316 and NaOH electrolysis cell is that neither the steel electrodes or the NaOH electrolytes are consumed. To further "Close the loop I would also suggest you recycle the exhaust via a bubbler pipe in the water storage portion of the cell, because electrolysis of heated water requires less energy.

You would then need to develop an efficient circuit that would deliver just the right: voltage, amperage, and frequency based on temperature, ph, and pressure. It may be more complicated  or it might be less complicated... The only way to know for sure is to try it yourself. Might I also suggest you start with a smaller cheaper engine maybe a 1-5HP engine.
(cheap lawn mower engine would work for experimenting)

If you would like to further discuss electrolysis concepts or have any questions I'd be glad to try to help you out, but honestly there is no instant solution being mass produced. Developing something from scratch will take a long time and a lot of work. Each cell design is unique and its power input/output is dependent on the dynamics of the cell and efficiency of the collector (IC<30%). PEM fuel cells are most efficient (PEM<75%) and all the excess energy is used heating the output water.

Good luck on your hunt for the answer,
~Dingus

P.S. Don't forget H2 + O2 -> H2O is a implosion so ignition will expand a little then retract the piston.

Some useful links:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,518.0.html
http://www.geocities.com/waterfuel111/tricks_electrolysis.html
http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/h-o/chemchrt.htm
http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/h-o/
http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.txt

[Paul-R]

P.S. Don't forget H2 + O2 -> H2O is a implosion so ignition will expand a little then retract the piston.

I reckon that this issue is crucial, and the standard IC engine does not provide
for the power stroke associated with the burning (to form hot steam) and the
subsequent suction power stroke when this steam condenses back to water.
Remember the famous oil drum experiment.

(In reality, it would be a lot easier to get an old Briggs & Stratton lawn mower engine
from Ebay for ?30 or so, but no regular IC engine is going to get the best results)
Paul.

[GraffixWB]

Good call. it seems that a 2 stroke would work better in this spot. thanks for settin me straight.