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Reactive Current - Parallel RCL

Started by nix85, June 01, 2021, 08:43:14 AM

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nix85

EDIT:

it seemed there is different current on two wires input into MOT
but it turns out these clamp meters, maybe cause they are
relatively cheap Chinese ones, are direction dependent,
to get accurate value, you have to flip it when measuring
two wires in which current is in different direction.

In other words if first wire is coming into the clamp from
above on the left side, then to measure other wire which
is parallel to it, it must enter the clamp from below on the
left side.

Otherwise readings are totally wrong.

nix85

Did everyone here just give up, we need to share experiences, keep it up if we are
to succeed. I been working with two MOTs lately, resonating them, i bought 45uF
and 16uF caps which turned out to be 41.3uF and 14.7uF, the smaller one was
supposed to be for Don replica but i might as well use it for this.

My first idea was resonate the primary at 50Hz and two secondaries in series also.
I managed to resonate the secondaries with circa 90nF, but i could not directly
measure primary resonance on soundcard scope (or any scope). The problem is
inductance of the secondaries is so much larger, namely 57.1H combined while
primaries are only 290mH and 351mH that it totally overrides the primary, no
matter if primary is with or without caps, when i touch it with 1.5V batter i always
see the secondary resonating, it overpowers it with it's huge inductance.
So i had to use the calculator which is not exactly precise, it predicts lower
resonant frequency that it really is.

Also when secondary is closed in series with another secondary or by itself, with caps
or not, it drops primary's inductance from 290mH to 218mH. I got this cheap
LC meter which is pretty good

https://www.ebay.com/itm/324369430072

However, i did not manage to get current draw down with caps on the primary which
should make it resonate around 50Hz and secondaries in series definitely resonating
at 50Hz, current draw is about the same, around 2A.

I tried connecting 5 200W lightbulbs in series between resonating secondaries and
metal water pipe in the bathroom that goes underground of course. Nothing.

Strange thing however happened when i shorted one of the secondaries, current draw
dropped to 1.4A.

I also tried connecting those 5 bulbs directly between two secondaries, nothing, second
secondary steals all the voltage so i tried with just one MOT, they light very brightly
but i did not manage to get current draw below 5A which is little over 1kW.

I have now put 5 same bulbs in parallel, i will rather try connecting them to primary(ies) and trying to resonate. Problem is i don't know how much of the
current draw is active or reactive, waiting for power meter to arrive.

This idea is an old one from Dan Combine and bolt, to light a big bulb with reactive power.

I am also thinking combining this with bifilar-scalar primary from Don replica.

If more of us focus on this it will be better for all, to share experiences.


stivep

Quote from: nix85 on June 09, 2022, 08:16:38 AM
That scheme is from Alexander Mikhalych who apparently
replicated Stepanov.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu2Rbjr80RI
He says basically the same things that are written in the article
https://jeraff.ru/en/generator-transformer-with-resonant-winding-resonance-transformer-energy-from-ether/

Stepanov, contacted me, prior to his trip to Hamburg. I refused his offer.
In Hamburg Stepanov met Arthur German investor.
German investor, requested from Stepanov, Akula's performance.
in order to not lose Arthur, -Stepanov hired Tiger to examine  Akula's device.
After that, German investor, visited  Akula
After that Stepanov with  Akula and  Tiger landed in Germany.
over a year later all of them returned home.

so  Alexander Mikhalych couldn't
replicate Stepanov,
as Stepanov was rejected by Arthur the German investor due to the lack of performance.
and let's say, I know who Arthur is.


–by that, "this memo:"
https://jeraff.ru/en/generator-transformer-with-resonant-winding-resonance-transformer-energy-from-ether/
from this video of likely sponsored by Russian propaganda Global Wave YouTube channel
is likely another "Russian Revelation"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu2Rbjr80RI

by the way:
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______________________________________________

Quote from: nix85 on June 09, 2022, 12:14:23 PM
Wesley, you mean guy who claimed that power cannot be amplified in RLC tank,
in this very thread few pages back. Need i say more.
RLC filter as amplifier? - Electrical Engineering Stack ...https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/239852
QuoteIn other words you can't get power amplification.
but
It can amplify the voltage (near to the resonant frequency) at the expense of load current.
so In other words you can't get power amplification.
:)
Wesley

stivep

Quote from: nix85 on June 09, 2022, 12:37:50 PM
I understood what you said and answered that he himself is not reliable.
so if I am not reliable than please prove me wrong
The statement is  :
Quote from: stivep on June 23, 2022, 05:23:41 PM
RLC filter as amplifier? - Electrical Engineering Stack ...https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/239852but
you can't get power amplification from RLC
:)
try our best my friend, but keep in mind:
no matter what you say about RLC power amplification that is a complete nonsense.
You will also be ask to explain what that extra amplified  power comes from?
what is that power origin?

the law of conservation of energy:
energy cannot be created nor destroyed.


Wesley

nix85

Quote from: stivep on June 23, 2022, 05:23:41 PM...
so  Alexander Mikhalych couldn't
replicate Stepanov,
as Stepanov was rejected by Arthur the German investor due to the lack of performance.
and let's say, I know who Arthur is.

So you are calling Stepanov and Mikhalych liars, just because of some German guy
you supposedly know. I would disagree. For a simple reason what they claim has been
confirmed so many times by unrelated people world over number of which have been
shared here.

Quote
______________________________________________
RLC filter as amplifier? - Electrical Engineering Stack ...https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/239852but
It can amplify the voltage (near to the resonant frequency) at the expense of load current.
so In other words you can't get power amplification.
:)
Wesley

Really, again, i really expected more from someone who's been in this for so long.
I linked that article or referred to it when i first spoke of this conventional stance
on this issue. Voltage amplification at expense of current and vice versa.

We are not interested in series resonance cause that is a short circuit.

Again, if there can be no power amplification, how come this guy
amplifies the power to 2.34kW reactive with 105W input.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVgp-gOBqsg

Or 3.5kw reactive with 200W input.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sfOKPIi6CM

So it is definitely possible to amplify power, you may argue if that power
is usable. Indeed, usually loading the resonant tank will kill the resonance
and increase power draw. But just few posts ago i linked the same guy
from first example (2.34kW) looping it, i copy paste.

QuoteGuy i shared before who pumps 2.34kW in his big trans with 105W input.

Here he is looping it with UPS battery, battery starts at 13.69V.

Then he powers 280W of lights + charges the batter to 14.3V.

Reactive power is 1163W here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYWgcRB73bw

So we see it is not only possible to amplify power in RLC tank,
but also loop it and draw excess energy from it.