Everyone will say this craft breaks the laws of physics

[Floor]

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Supposing we set up such a wind turbine on the roof of an electric car, with the turbine generating LX which is fed back to the car's batteries.

There is  no O.U. claim here.
The design does not produce energy.

The "black bird" propeller does not directly collect its rotational kinetic energy
from the wind. The propeller is drive from / by the wheels.

The propeller pushes air to the rear of the vehicle, directly into / against the
prevailing wind.

The vehicle collects energy as   forward motion,   from the prevailing wind and
the push from the prop.

[Paul-R]

There is  no O.U. claim here.
The design does not produce energy.

You're quite right.

It is just that I'd love to see the equations and the curves. I'm looking to convert a small car by replacing the rear wheels with wheel hub motors. The coefficient of drag will sky rocket but the benefits might out weigh this when we bear in mind that the turbine will contribute when in traffic jams or doing the shopping. I should have created a new thread, i suppose.

[lancaIV]

Yes,dis-/ad-vantages , as for each FE-device ! Fixed/variable FE generator/converter output : fixed/variable consume !


Wind-sourced vehicle :
rush-hour,calm traffic,stop-and-go: 0-5 Km*h forward ,winter: heater consume ,modern high fidelity appliances consume !


To much wind force gain : how much X-Wh storage ?


What do we know about public trolley-busses behaviour ?




Sincere


OCWL


p.s.: for experiments I would recommend light beginning : e-bike/e-trike to quads


        Today there are many local/regional enthusiasts/"green world"-minder/freaks who will substitute the -low consume- idea !


        And why not : Guinness-book-of World-records as benchmark or Shell-Eco-Marathon their results as MINIMUM !


        https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com.br/world-records/581389-longest-journey-by-an-electric-vehicle-prototype


        https://www.makethefuture.shell/en-gb/shell-eco-marathon




        Local Ecomarathon ,to regional,to national Ecocompetition,to continental,to World Eco-Marathon ! Eco-Games

        Pathfinder,Schools,Universities net-work ! Work-groups ! Discussion ! Comparison ! Physical trials ! Talents/skills finding !


       Week-for-Future-Games




       peak velocity,average velocity,maximal distance by 1000 Wh electric energy storage


      wind,solar,brake energy recuperation,battery-transformer-set,pedal-generator(pedelec)





       
       https://overunity.com/electric-bikes/                                                          https://overunity.com/electric-cars/


       http://omni.mcn.org/ElectriLiteB/                                                               http://www.kitcarlinks.com/usmakers-rqriley.htm


       https://www.electric-bikes.com/cars/kits.html                                         


                                                                                             https://contest.techbriefs.com/2012/entries/sustainable-technologies/2473

                                                                                             https://web.archive.org/web/20080305192021/http://rpm2.8k.com/


                                https://web.archive.org/web/20080310222049/http://flywheel.esmartbiz.com/car.htm   
   
In March 1976, the University of California at Berkeley's Institute for Transportation Engineering published a paper, "Electric Highway Vehicles... Technology Assessment of Future Intercity Transportation Systems" contributed by Dick Fradella.

                                    He has demonstrated it to countless manufacturers and researchers involved with EVs. 


                  Average life of motor-cycle batteries in the demo has been about 10 years.
                                                 These batteries were guaranteed to last only 90 days.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               https://web.archive.org/web/20080312062108/http://flywheel.esmartbiz.com/humpwr.htm

                                                                                             https://blog.evbox.com/far-electric-car-range


      A little (less organized,by enforced motivation )  https://www.jugend-forscht.de/information-in-english.html


       (physical and mental)  Youthresearch and Youthsuccess   by name https://www.tomorrowland.com/home/  as nonstop festival




     many are working in the wind stream conversion technology : https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2009009473A3 all cited documents


     can we develop an horizontal rotating wheel on e-vehicle tect ?


     here the "wheel" vertical ! the electric conductor material,later : sodium/natrium !

     https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19831006&CC=DE&NR=3211338A1&KC=A1




    For FEMM-simulation to physical 3d-modell (RC) I would take as small alternative :


     https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19990930&CC=DE&NR=19741256A1&KC=A1




Here many solutions to find for mobility and savings : dynamos ,e-motors ,.....


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=volkrodt&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search


100 W rated e-bike motor (instead conventional and commercial 250/300 W standart) /


Reply #2 : When 5-6 m/sec.  modified gives 140 W


5,5 m/sec = 20 Km*h average velocity


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                                    world- C5 -clubber e-drive modification

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5 


Electric motor  250 W (0.34 hp)

delivered by

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A


In general, for conventional motors of 1 HP and 3 HP, the power consumptions are 746 W/H and 2238 W/H. These motors can be operated at high speed with low output torque or operated at low speed with larger torque, no matter how it operates, the power consumptions thereof are respectively 746 W/H and 2238 W/H.


In comparison, when a DC 12 V mini motor with full load capacity 25 g, 560 mA, running at 13340 rev./min is used, a plurality of such motors can be assembled and operated in association with a suitable number of down-speed gear sets so as to obtain proper operation speed.


The power consumptions thereof in the same conditions as above, are compared with the conventional motors to conclude that at most only one eleventh of the power consumed in above cited motors is required.

                               not as FUTURE URBAN COMMUTER,but as (theoretical endless) FE-circuit

                                                                q.e.d.

In March 1976, the University of California at Berkeley's Institute for Transportation Engineering published a paper, "Electric Highway Vehicles... Technology Assessment of Future Intercity Transportation Systems" contributed by Dick Fradella.
 
                        He has demonstrated it to countless manufacturers and researchers involved with EVs. 


                     Another inventor and his demonstration,19?? : https://maddsci.tripod.com/george/id10.html
                                                                                         
                                                                                         https://maddsci.tripod.com/george/id9.html

Mr. Jakelj was born and lived most of his life in the resort town of Kranjska Gora, in the present Republic of Slovenia, at one time part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and later part of Yugoslavia until its dissolution in the late 1980s. Kranjska Gora is near the Italian and Austrian borders and is famous for its fabulous skiing facilities. He was educated and worked as an electrical engineer and had the professional title of "Elektromeister," the equivalent to a Master of Sciences in Electrical Engineering. At an early stage of his career he began questioning the accepted theoretical principles on which the design of electric motors is based, concluding that they were erroneous.


After many years of research, after his retirement he wrote several treatises on the subject and submitted them for publication to the various European professional and scientific journals. However, his work was usually either ignored or rejected without explanation.

In order to prove his theories Mr. Jakelj designed and built his magnetic motor.


After successful testing he was still unable to interest any major industrial corporation in exploiting the tremendous advantages of this invention. He then turned his attention to another motor design, called the "transreactance motor," which I also intend to build and develop industrially.

Franc Jakelj died in 1997 after many years of severe cardiac disease.
                            To date no one has attemped to continue his work.



                                                               q.e.d. and


                               https://geospatial.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83476d35153ef022ad3c0d118200b-popup
                                                  NO RECHARGE ,up to 10 years nonstop energy delivery


But not to be in the https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Europe_Boardman_Robinson.jpg/220px-Europe_Boardman_Robinson.jpg situation/state and to wait (endless) :


Marcel Meredieu water-cell ,Tanaka Saburo circuit,Pavel Imris battery circuit,Lakhdar Mentzer capacitive battery-circuit and Ramos Suarez magnet force transformer battery cycle as e-storage alternative !


or    https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=pt&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=envez&IN=jorge+ferreira&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search


                              Li Yng gear-micro-motor-drive                                    9/10 LESS CONSUME ,


                 the Imris/Tesla/Plauson/Ferreira capacitive winding e-drives     99/100  LESS CONSUME !




For physical understanding : F.Braun/ Papalexi-Mandelstam


                                         E.D.F. superconductive e-storage


                                         Helmholtz Vortex/whirl (longitivity)

point 2.3 "Self-Powered ...." https://www.sensorsportal.com/HTML/DIGEST/july_2017/Vol_214/P_2933.pdf
                                       


and the tornar/to turn             TORNADO/TURNADO XYZ-view Zero-Point = AUG(E) whirl  Vacuum state (Casimir/Compton/Cooper)




                                                            from Mimikry to Biomimikry :
                                           https://www.pinterest.com/pin/154318724704106777/

                         https://paxscientific.com/flow     https://paxscientific.com/history                                     https://paxscientific.com/flair


https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/51366133e4b055d8b61b4275/1573109767101-LMHSK5JAHUGLPGYIRANN/Energy+Chart+9-8+color+adjusted+no+border.png?format=750w




                                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen

[Floor]

You're quite right.

It is just that I'd love to see the equations and the curves. I'm looking to convert a small car by replacing the rear wheels with wheel hub motors. The coefficient of drag will sky rocket but the benefits might out weigh this when we bear in mind that the turbine will contribute when in traffic jams or doing the shopping. I should have created a new thread, i suppose.

Cool, if its a light vehicle and if the turbine were steerable and retractable.

[onepower]

In my opinion this concept relates directly to free energy.

99% of people including most experts failed to understand the working concepts because there perception is biased.

Think about that...
Millions of intelligent people, engineers, scientists and even physicists failed to understand a relatively simple device having only a few basic components.

This goes to show that most people are okay with something they can google or find in a book that is known. However the down wind faster than the wind fiasco is proof most do not have the capacity to wrap there mind around truly new concepts.

The fact remains that if 99% of people cannot even understand a simple wind device then free energy will continue to elude them.

Regards
AC