Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs

[jimbo]

Well then captainpecan here's a new idea .I've found that you can neutralize a toroidal core by rapping like 300 turns of magnet wire on it one rap around the second laterally then around on third rap with 26 awg .so what's the big picture ? When a magnet approaches the core it just disappears to the magnet .and if the magnet is big or small it takes the same energy to work .its the attraction that's the power the better the configuration of magnet to core the more power.if you took a iron  L beam and made a track out of it using like a plywood runner and a cart with wheels and a big neo magnet .with a ever decreasing gap to the iron the cart would run like a bat out of hell like bullet.to the end then lock up but if the toroidal core is at the end and turned on .the cart would fly like a rocket on all of the accumulated kinetic energy weather six ft long or a mile long .it would use the same energy . this shifts the dynamics .your not tied down to a closed system anymore . its a little tricky to set up but it does work .

[captainpecan]

@Jimbo,

Very interesting indeed. See, now you got me wanting to play with toroids again.. lol. I did a lot of work with joule thieves a while back. Fun stuff. What makes me curious about your concepts you are referring to, is how would that work in series? Or would it choke off and be counter effective?  Could they work just like my coil results so far and continue to decrease energy used to make them disappear with each added to a certain point? Nott only that, hook it between 2 battery packs. 1 pack at 36 volts, one pack at 12v. Leaves a 24v difference. You then dump it from 1 bank and charge the other while running your motor in between. That's my plan with all my projects. Find exactly how much energy us needed to run at peak performance. Then duplicate that energy with the difference in battery banks. Then you are never sending energy to ground. You are sending it through your coils and into the other battery bank. Along with any flyback or generation you have set up to use from the torque...  So many fun ideas...


Your concept would easily adapt to a rotor design as well. Many are making the magnet rotor with decreasing gaps but can't get past the gate spot. I haven't worked much with the linear,  V gate and track magnet designs and stuff. Just never interested me that much. I lean more towards a rotor design with all my thoughts usually. Just the way my mind draws me I guess.

[captainpecan]

@Floor, and whoever has output measure knowledge.

You seem to be a man that has kept track of good resources for measuring stuff properly. I think I will soon have the need to measure output of my motor when I get it dialed in and running. I am thinking of a prony break concept and have been looking at what options I can begin to prepare. But most prony break measurements require you bring a motor to a dead stop for a measurement. Im not sure that is the best way to measure my design of a pulse motor where the power comes from releasing a hidden magnets field. Maybe it would be fine, but im trying to get prepared. Do you have any other good documents rat holed somewhere you wouldn't mind sharing that may help me move in the right direction to proper input vs output of this motor design? There is a lot of random stuff out there, but if someone has exactly what would work well for my setup, I'm all ears! Thanks in advance if someone has something to share.

[gyulasun]

A relatively simple method for measuring the mechanical output is shown in the first 13 minutes of this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSJF3GlYGVc   

Gyula

[jimbo]

Captain
The toroidal shut off works well enough and on very little power .but the power focus has changed to setting up the best magnets to core placements the better the magnets attract the more power out put .it would work with a vgate.but that's only one dimensional you could come at it from three more places around the core .making a tube like structure . a magnet tunnel .I'd start with just one first . hay here's my desine build idea not a toroidal donut but a pipe segment iron pipe segment its toroidal too .and if I can get that up and running I can use a chain of neos.coming at the core . more power because of a lot more neos..I'll post a video of a four core very low watt fan. I can imagin a 18 inch by 2 inch dam iron pipe and a 2 inch by 18 inch rotor with a lot of strong neos . but I got to do it smaller for now like 1 1/2 pipe by 4 inch .