Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs

[captainpecan]

@jimbo
I typically would agree with your assessment that it needs thicker wire. But in this case, the wire being to thin is actually intentional. I kind of wanted to try it out. I am experimenting with the concept that Robert Adams followed for the Adams motor. He believed it was all in the ampere turns. More turns stronger magnetic field. The added resistance was kind of a bonus and keeps the current down while increasing the turns. He was however leaning towards a combo of high turns and thicker wire. Tinman showed he was seeing similar results but stated that he believed there is a point at which there would no longer be an advantage. I am trying to find that point if it is true. But so far, the more turns of smaller wire, the less I have to pay per gauss. I plan to make one thicker as well to test them both. I just need to know from testing myself.

[jimbo]

Sorry about my meddling .I've kind of created a path way in my research .its to try to duplicate exactly the success first then modify .I can get way off track sometimes . Paul Babcock showed that a lot more wire can double your flux field for the same energy .and the guys over at ? Amazing ?? I'm not sure they used triple coated very thin wire and a lot of it with very high pluse voltage to gain power .but now are using 30 Awg .

[captainpecan]

Sorry about my meddling .I've kind of created a path way in my research .its to try to duplicate exactly the success first then modify .I can get way off track sometimes . Paul Babcock showed that a lot more wire can double your flux field for the same energy .and the guys over at ? Amazing ?? I'm not sure they used triple coated very thin wire and a lot of it with very high pluse voltage to gain power .but now are using 30 Awg .

Meddle away! I love the ideas kicking around, suggestions and all. Even those off the wall lame brain ideas we all have sometimes. You never know when one has the tiny key to be the answer to a massive question... I also get way off track sometimes. To the point that I have to reel myself in to complete something. This little hobby gets your mind running and thinking of so many different possibilities that are technically supposed to be impossible anyway. But that's kind of what we are here for anyway!

[captainpecan]

Frustratingly, I am sitting without a new power supply this weekend because USPS has decided to lose the damn thing. I updated my apps and adjusted some settings I hadn't payed close enough attention to. Some of the settings are faster sampling rates so they may have a real impact on my numbers. I've been running the tests again while I wait for the power supply, and I'm seeing some strong differences made from updating things. Ill post as I have something.

[captainpecan]

I retested the 2 coils after app changes. Difference in numbers but shows same results. Very interesting test I added though.
I hooked both in series and tested them each at the same time using 2 phones with the gauss app. Clearly, the further I go, the more voltage needed. But the less current used and the more magnetic field per unit of energy used. Notice the far right column. That's what we get for our money per say. So far, even though the resistance is rising, we are getting more magnetic field total for the energy being used. Efficiency keeps rising. Interesting numbers.