HHO projects

[onepower]

Assokin227

Those are good questions.  I've been studying HHO gas injection, Diesel engine technology and related topics since 2008. A better question may be what's next?  If no one does it, how is it going to happen?

Most European countries have been using HHO and water injection for decades because of high fuel prices. There research and application of this tech is well ahead of most countries.

I started experimenting with water injection and plasma ignition when I was 16 about 40 years ago. Most today still don't understand how most of this stuff works so I will touch on a few points.

The main goal of water injection is to cool the cylinder, modulate the burn time and prevent pre-detonation. So we can run more volatile fuels at higher compression generating more power more efficiently without pre-detonation. I injected a water mist into the intake proportional the the fuel/air and monitored the exhaust temps. The water also flashes to steam cleaning the valves/combustion area increasing efficiency. The ignition system also has to be more powerful to compensate for the water vapor in gas engines but obviously not a diesel.

So why water injection?, I could run any fuel at high compression and unheard of super lean fuel/air ratio's because there's no pre-detonation and the burn can be modulated in the cylinder. In fact I could run a gas engine with no carburetor allowing 100% air all the time. The throttle was regulated only by the fuel/water intake injectors and ignition timing. So most of the stuff we learned about the average engine is irrelevant. 

On HHO, most don't understand what HHO actually does in the engine. The HHO burns super fast which acts as an accelerant for the gas or diesel fuel. However most see little benefit because it burns too fast near the top of the stroke. So like water injection we can advance the timing so the pressure bump occurs later in the stroke. Less rod/crank angle keeps the increased cylinder pressure in check and applies it more efficiently. So we can have a faster much more efficient burn generating more pressure/power where it acts most efficiently. The HHO has little energy but it releases the energy in a small time period, a fast burn, which is the real benefit.

You should also try this out because it works really well... Squish-Zone Grooves (IC Engine)
http://rexresearch.com/singh/singh.htm
I started on lawn mower engines to get a feel for it then worked up to motorcycles and generators.

In any case I have been building and researching stuff on engines for decades and found even the new engines are a joke. It's all the same old crap with some new packaging and most are still grossly inefficient. I still enjoy tinkering with engines and wanted to share some of this so people understand how much there is to learn and how far we can go.

Regards
AC

[Paul-R]

Assokin227
Most European countries have been using HHO and water injection for decades because of high fuel prices...

...and the need for speed.
I think the P-47 used water injection for short bursts of power but it couild cause problems for longer periods. It might be worth asking Pratt & Whitney if their historical records have research papers which you could use.

[onepower]

Paul

...and the need for speed.
I think the P-47 used water injection for short bursts of power but it couild cause problems for longer periods. It might be worth asking Pratt & Whitney if their historical records have research papers which you could use.

I did extensive research over a few years and never had any long term issues other than power train problems. The extra power was bending sheer pins between the crank and clutch plate and wiping out universal joints. The water injection allows a leaner fuel/air charge at higher compression without cylinder over heating or pre-detonation.

In fact some found the engine ran so cool they could do away with the cooling system all together. Another example is the 6 stroke engine combining a conventional 4 stroke with a steam engine. The 6 stroke did not need a conventional cooling system either.

Some had issues with common sense and kept the water injectors on when shutting an engine down. This left water vapor in the engine causing rust in the intake, cylinder and crank case. This is an amateur mistake and I simply ran the engine a few minutes without water injection before shutting down.

Regards
AC

[h20power]

The problem with adding hho to today's modern day cars is you have to tell the computer just what it is you are doing to the car. Bob Boyce found that out the hard way as his Toyota ended up getting worse fuel economy than it started out with once the computer reset things back to what it was programed to maintain. This is why when people just add a hho device to their car it starts off good but ends up bad as they didn't reprogram the car's computer for the new fuel being added to the car's system. The computer has been program for a ratio of 14.7:1 for gasoline cars and when you add in a hho system that ratio needs to be changed to something like 38:1 but in order to get it working properly you would have to put the car on a dyno to map things out correctly.


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[Paul-R]

I did extensive research over a few years and never had any long term issues other than power train problems. The extra power was bending sheer pins between the crank and clutch plate and wiping out universal joints.

I think that P & W were getting so much power that prolonged use would blow the engine. There might be something to learn from them. One of the P-51s also used it on a Packhard Merlin and so either they or Rolls Royce might provide their archived research papers.