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Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world

Started by ramset, March 14, 2022, 11:07:24 AM

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bistander

Motor generator sets, MGs, are bidirectional, in regards to input output. Unless a one-way clutch is used to couple the shafts, a mechanical diode sotospeak. The typical MG set found in so many places may not be easily functional by simply reversing input output connections. That is due to application specifics, not underlying principles.

Many MGs are made using but a single rotor stator set.

The relative motion rotor to stator is what differentiates a generator from a transformer.

Also notice in SL's second tutorial video a few posts back, at time mark ~3:50, shows and states the motor is a generator when spinning. This is fundamental. Motors and generators are the same, when there is motion. When there is no motion, it is a transformer, or just an electromagnet.
bi
ps. Wishing for a better new year for all. The past few have been rough on many of us.

bistander

Quote from: rakarskiy on January 01, 2023, 09:32:21 AM
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Or do you really believe that mechanical power (Pk=Fv) is converted into electrical (Pe=IU).

Do you not believe Lorentz?


rakarskiy

Quote from: bistander on January 01, 2023, 10:06:09 AM
Do you not believe Lorentz?

If you can prove the work of the Lorentz force in the stator slot!

I generally doubt the existence of the Lorentz force, which can be measured in newtons.
The Lorentz force can be derived with great difficulty on the simplest generator for the frame.
The Lorentz force does not act on the EMF in the conductor, which is determined by the change in the magnetic flux.
In the stator slot, as well as in the transformer window, there is no magnetic flux at all, which the conductor can cross with its magnetic lines.
What can be the Lorentz force in the absence of physical contact of the magnetic field with the conductor?
One very respected representative of science from the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, in our dispute with him on this topic, generally stated that what I mean refers to engineering physics and is not explained by traditional physical concepts. For the calculation, the fact of the action is used, which is empirically derived into engineering formulas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor%E2%80%93generator


Dog-One

Quote from: rakarskiy on January 01, 2023, 11:47:35 AM
One very respected representative of science from the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, in our dispute with him on this topic, generally stated that what I mean refers to engineering physics and is not explained by traditional physical concepts. For the calculation, the fact of the action is used, which is empirically derived into engineering formulas.

So that's where 746 (V x A) watts equates to 1 horsepower.  And physics doesn't actually explain how it happens--it just appears to work this way with our current/conventional state of the art.

Very interesting and confirms a suspicion I've had for quite some time.  And if true, there is likely a mechanical geometry that can be employed where a motor can consume 746 watts of power and produce more than 1 horsepower of rotational power.  Conversely, some other geometry may be employed that takes 1 horsepower of rotational power and produces more than 746 watts of electrical power.  Couple those two devices together (dynamotor) and you have a self runner with a bit of excess power to use as you desire.  I'm all for that.  Where do we start?  What are these geometries central to making this happen?

bistander

Quote from: rakarskiy on January 01, 2023, 11:47:35 AM
If you can prove the work of the Lorentz force in the stator slot!

I generally doubt the existence of the Lorentz force, which can be measured in newtons.
The Lorentz force can be derived with great difficulty on the simplest generator for the frame.
The Lorentz force does not act on the EMF in the conductor, which is determined by the change in the magnetic flux.
In the stator slot, as well as in the transformer window, there is no magnetic flux at all, which the conductor can cross with its magnetic lines.
What can be the Lorentz force in the absence of physical contact of the magnetic field with the conductor?
One very respected representative of science from the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, in our dispute with him on this topic, generally stated that what I mean refers to engineering physics and is not explained by traditional physical concepts. For the calculation, the fact of the action is used, which is empirically derived into engineering formulas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor%E2%80%93generator

Hi rakarskiy,
I will not attempt such proof here, but suggest study Biot-Savart Law and Ampere's Circuit Law.

Your groove, or slot in domestic terminology, is just a distortion in the air gap.
bi