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[rakarskiy]

Hi rakarskiy,
Those two equations are the same, just each reduced for ease of use in rectilinear vs polar coordinates.
Flux = B * A     A is area
A/s = l * v      length is perpendicular to velocity
B*l*v = Flux/s = V      V is voltage
k * Flux * f = Flux/s     frequency is (per second)
k is constant relating polar to rectilinear (circular area)
minus sign is Lenz law, not required in first equation because B is vector having proper direction.
Substitute in units for variables and equality is apparent.
What do you see as a radically different principle?
bi

Hello beastander!
Mathematics and the essence of the process are two different things.
I unfolded and connected these formulas, even used them as a verification calculation, but in fact - it turned out to be completely different processes. Physics cannot explain one of them, and calls it an engineering formula. I succeeded, it remains to check what I'm doing.
Sincerely.

[SolarLab]

https://figueragenerator.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/patent-clemente-figuera-44267.pdf
http://www.rexresearch.com/figuera/figuera.htm

I absolutely agree that there is no exact indication of whether a complete flow change occurs or not on a Clemente Figuera machine.
There is only one explicit indication, this is the simulation of the operation of an electromechanical dynamo.
True, there are some issues that need to be addressed. I, like many others, fell for this. I have a very strong belief that something in the patents themselves has been changed.
Why, because there are two formulas for the EMF of the generator and differ radically in the principle of inducing EMF in the conductor.


PS
2π : √2  = 4,44

Hi Rakarskiy,

This may be of not much value to you but the topic was addressed in this post a while back on the OUR Forum. It explains in some detail
the differences between Faraday's Law and Lorentz - and the fact that the differences have never been really
resolved - however both equations arrive at the same answer.

Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #78 on: 2022-04-16, 17:54:59

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98564#msg98564

A copy of the post:

Sorry for the long post but this is very important towards understanding (analyzing) Holcomb's and other devices.
Two Electromagnetic Equations - Yield the Same Results

Of the four laws of electromagnetism, let's consider only Lorentz Force and Faraday's Law of induction. They both
arrive at the same answer; but their mechanisms are different. Some may say Faraday's Law is associated with Lenz whereas
Lorentz is not - Faraday deals with an alternating magnetic field - Lorentz deals with a sweeping (traveling) magnetic field.

Review the earlier "Asymetric transformers - AAbramovich Discussions" section "Equivalence of induction according to Lorentz and Faraday"
and the information below. Note that the differences between Faraday and Lorentz were never really resolved - history - seems Einstein
got in the way - since he couldn't solve it, he started a new branch of physics - Special Relativity - and further attempts at a resolution faded.

Lots of reading but worth it!

Four Laws of Electromagnetism

https://www.motioncontroltips.com/four-laws-of-electromagnetism-you-should-know/

https://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/physics/panvini/p110a/lect37c.html

Why Faraday's law and Lorentz force create the same electromotive force?
The Faraday's induction formula (flux rule) of electromagnetism says that the electromotive force (emf) created in a conducting circuit
is equal to the rate at which the magnetic flux through the conducting circuit changes as it is written on a high school text in physics.

This emf can be calculated in two ways: either by using the Lorentz force formula and calculating the force acting on electrons in the
moving conductor of the circuit; or via one of Maxwell's equations (Faraday's law) and calculating the change of the magnetic flux
penetrating through the circuit. The Lorentz force formula and Maxwell's equations are two distinct physical laws, yet the two methods
yield the same results.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/09/170926085958.htm

Includes a bit more "history" - Faraday's Law of Induction:

https://www.dataforth.com/faradays-law-of-induction.aspx

... "This is not exactly what Faraday described but was called Faraday's Law by Oliver Heaviside. It does
not include the movement emf; that is the force effect Faraday found. The magnetic force is called Lorentz
force. Current flowing in a wire in the presence of a magnetic field will experience a force and move if not
restrained. In this case, magnetic energy is released kinetically." ...

" The previous mention of the relative motion of magnetic field and electric circuit has had considerable thought by many,
well-known physicists.  Richard Feynman stated: (1) So the "flux rule" that the emf in a circuit is equal to the rate of change of the 
magnetic flux through the circuit applies whether the flux changes because the field changes or because the circuit moves (or both) ...

Yet in our explanation for the rule we have used two completely distinct laws for the two cases Faraday's Law equation (both vector
quantities: -v x B) for "circuit moves" and Faraday's Law equation (vector: V x E = -dtB) for "field changes".

We know of no other place in physics where such a simple and accurate general principle requires for its
real understanding an analysis in terms of two different phenomena.
Richard P. Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
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Lorentz Force 3d view animation video (Lorentz is near the end, 6:26)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ9YRWYv2cY

---------------------------- Food for thought ---------
Professor Eric Laithwaite: Magnetic River 1975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI_HFnNTfyU
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So the question arrises: Does your 3D/2D CAE EM Maxwell's equation based analysis also include Lorentz Force?
CST - TBD, test solution against numerical.
Ansys EM - TBD, test solution against numerical.
COMSOL - allows review of equations used - check analysis insitu - test solutions.

Regards,

SL

[rakarskiy]

SL, hello!
Are you sure that the Lorentz Force exists at all and is not a fiction of physicists? We still do not know the exact cause of the occurrence of an electric vortex field (EMF). We know the consequence no more.
Physicists cannot accurately tell the nature of the electric and magnetic fields, all they tell us is concepts. True, this does not prevent engineers from designing and building electrical mechanisms.
Sincerely

[SolarLab]

SL, hello!
Are you sure that the Lorentz Force exists at all and is not a fiction of physicists? We still do not know the exact cause of the occurrence of an electric vortex field (EMF). We know the consequence no more.
Physicists cannot accurately tell the nature of the electric and magnetic fields, all they tell us is concepts. True, this does not prevent engineers from designing and building electrical mechanisms.
Sincerely

Rakarskiy,

At the time my research was directed towards determining whether or not the CAE Platforms understood, and could work with,
the Lorentz Force and what effect that might have on the analysis. My Engineering hat was on, not my Physics hat!

Since the conclusion of my search ended in "Two Equations that yield the same answer," plus, it appears that it has never been
resolved, I had to move on.

Using Professor Thomas A. LIPO's "INTRODUCTION TO AC MACHINE DESIGN" book the conclusion was somewhat explained.

With respect to the CAE question - it's clear that if both equations yield the same answer - then, of course, the question
becomes moot.

SL

[rakarskiy]

Hello SL!
I think you will still have the opportunity to make sure of everything on your own, on a practical model.
My opinion (as it turned out, not only mine), the Lorentz Force is a mirage of mathematics, which is derived as opposed to the Ampère Force equation.
Sincerely.

The Lorentz magnetic force is determined by the relation:
L F = [v,B] q , (3.1)
where B is the induction of the magnetic field, and q is the charge of a particle moving in this field with a speed v. This formula was obtained at the end of the 19th century by the Dutch theoretical physicist H. Lorentz, who generalized Maxwell's equations to the case of motion of single charged particles. Long before Lorentz (in 1820), Ampere established that there is a force interaction between electric current and a magnetic field, which is determined by Ampère's empirical law:
A F = [l, B] I . (3.2)
This relation determines the force acting in a magnetic field B on a section of wire l oriented in the direction of current I. The Lorentz force (3.1) describes the interaction of a single charged particle with a magnetic field. It can be obtained from Ampère's law if the force (3.2) is divided by the number of particles involved in the creation of the Ampère force (see, for example, [1]):
Suppose a conductor of length l contains N free charges q. Then the electric current can be expressed by the dependence I=(N/l)qu, where u is the speed of the "drift" of electrons in the conductor (the speed of the directed movement of particles). Since this speed coincides with the direction of the conductor, expression (3.2) can be written in the form:
F = [u,B] A Nq . (3.3)
Dividing (3.3) by the number N of charges in the conductor and equating the velocity of each particle to the drift velocity (v = u), we obtain an expression for the force acting from the magnetic field on one particle – Lq N
FL = FA/N = q [v,B] coinciding with (3.1).
Ampère's law is an experimental dependence that describes well the interaction of an electric current with a magnetic field. The Lorentz force (3.1) is obtained from Ampere's law by elementary mathematical transformations. But let us ask ourselves a question: does dependence (3.1) reflect the participation of magnetic forces in electromagnetic induction?
Can the Lorentz force create an emf? The question is not idle!

PS

The first thing is electromagnetic induction on the conductor section. in an electric circuit, and here the magnetic circuit as a source.

Second, what is voltage drop and how does it affect the amount of current.

Thirdly, how does the process of the emergence of EMF (vortex electric field on the conductor) occur in two versions of the generator, if it can be expressed in one word.

Fourthly, we do not know what electricity is, for example: https://overunity.com/11029/safe-one-wire-energy-transfer-by-serbian-inventor-milutin-miletic/

Try to connect all this with the generator.