Just another Don Smith thread

[ramset]

Sir nix
"Gabriel device"
Using a kilowatt meter to prove this gain ..?


I was fooled plenty years ago this way ... please use other methods for
Devices which can play games with kilowatt meter circuitry (erroneous measurement)!


Example : simple caloric measurements!


Persons can waste decades using poor measurement protocols and wishful thinking!
Respectfully
Chet K

[nix85]

It's true power meters are unreliable at high frequencies,
but here we are talking normal 50-60Hz, they are designed
for this, to measure active vs reactive power etc.
There should be no self-deception here, but to be
sure one should always use different power meters
as well as different multimeters/clamp meters.

[ramset]

When gains are so bold
There is no need for meter discrepancies ( well founded concerns)


Heat works amazingly well ..even bulb temperature can be used for accuracy
We had a member who shared a fixed loss to ambient test protocol !


Even novice with no experience can do this ...
Side by side tests in cardboard boxes
One side box has input of device going to appropriate sized resistor ( worlds most efficient heater)


Other box ( put entire device and load resistor or bulbs (whatever)


Turn power on to both ( same input)


Watch temperature in both boxes ( install remote heat probe or use infrared


Box with Device under test inside should rise much faster in temp
If it does not beat resistor ( worlds most efficient heater as all losses go to heat


If it does not beat the heat of worlds best
You have a problem with claim


If it does ?
Do the happy dance


Doing good Measurement is so easy !
High frequency low frequency pulses etc etc


Do work .... and watch a thermometer in a cardboard box ...
Ambient will rob the heat from the box ... box will only get so hot against ambient
Cold weather is nice for this testing


But ultimately you can tell story in a minute with a stop watch
Claims of 2-3 or 10 times input will Zoom past worlds best heater!


Easy Peasy
Thanks to member ION ( also Vortex 1 here ... may he Rest In Peace
Respectfully
Chet K

PS
Even these claims of one transmitter feeding many?
Calibrate a tiny grain of wheat bulb with thermometer


Compare temperatures of "receivers "





EDIT for comment below

Yes of course  ... the loop is the best

Would be nice to see ( besides you tube proof .... NOT !

Never give up !!edit  ( * not while I breathe


Edit 2 below
Nelson is a kind soul ( I do miss talking

[nix85]

Or even simpler, feed it back into itself, if it runs itself + the load,
there is you certain measurement.

EDIT for EDIT

Ofc, loop is the ultimate test.
Also as nelsonrochaa wrote

Like I already told many times ;
Most of people are not interested in hard work , but instead want "baby food" in their
own mouth ...  Myself lose 2 years only study some aspects of  that circuit , and see
people already give up just because some Illustrious persons, Pout ..... In general i
think this is a lost case. When happens such behavior's,  i could only say that is a
waste of TIME to everyone!


Nelson Rocha

I'm sure not going to give up, hopefully you won't either.

[nix85]

ZPE electron-vitron separation by shapes and harm/inharmonic thirds.
As Keely said if you match harmonic electricity to inharmonic electricity
you will tap the dominant which is unlimited.

Edit for important note, electrons-vitrons (positrons) of space are
never really separable, they are always together in varying ratios.
Exotic phenomena is accociated with higher concetration of vitrons
than electrons.