Is this the beginning of the end?

[Willy]

Did you know....

Over Unity exists

600 meters or approximately 2000 feet as a hydrogen balloon lift.

1 cubic meter of hydrogen can lift 1.2 kilograms at sea level.

82 grams per cubic meter of hydrogen

48 kilo watt hours to produce 1 kilogram of hydrogen

1 kilo watt hour = (is an expenditure of ) 3,600,000 joules

48 kilo watt hours = 172,800,000 joules

82 grams = 0.082 kilogram

48 kilo watt hours x 0.082 = 3.393 kilo watt hours to produce 82 grams of hydrogen by electrolysis.

3.393  kilo watt hours =  12,214,800 joules

9.8 joules to lift 1 kilogram 1 meter

9.8 x 1.2 Kg = 11.76 joules to lift 1.2 Kg 1 meter

11.6 joules x 600 meters = 6,960 joules

1.2 kilograms falling 600 meters = 6,960 joules

12,214,800  joules in (to produce 82 g of H) : 6,960 joules kinetic out = 1,755 to 1 ratio

1,755 x 600 = 1,053,000 meters of height to break even. ...654 miles

Water is 784 times more dense than air.

1,053,000 meters / 783 = 1,344 meters (4409 feet or  0.8351229 mile) of depth in water to break even, if electrolysis  of water can be done as efficiently at that depth and pressure, as it can be done at sea level.
                           
What is the volume of and buoyancy of what was 1 cu meter of hydrogen at sea level air pressure, once it is at a depth of 1,344 meters in water ?  ...... 13,141.22 kPa or 1905.97 psi

Given that the electrical energy input to do electrolysis is equal to the thermal energy produced in the electrolysis process plus the energy of combustion of the hydrogen ? (thermodynamic law) ...

Any energy acquired by rising of the hydrogen in atmosphere, due to gravity, is over unity.

Care to dispute this ?

[floodrod]

I want this place to be worth presenting to   physicists, mechanical engineers, without
me being ashamed  of doing so.

IMO, they already have thousands of sites of that nature..  The whole lure of this site is that it does not conform.    If I wanted boring conformity, I'd hang out on Electroboom's youtube channel..

[stivep]

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[Cloxxki]

Did you know....

Over Unity exists

600 meters or approximately 2000 feet as a hydrogen balloon lift.

1 cubic meter of hydrogen can lift 1.2 kilograms at sea level.

82 grams per cubic meter of hydrogen

48 kilo watt hours to produce 1 kilogram of hydrogen

1 kilo watt hour = (is an expenditure of ) 3,600,000 joules

48 kilo watt hours = 172,800,000 joules

82 grams = 0.082 kilogram

48 kilo watt hours x 0.082 = 3.393 kilo watt hours to produce 82 grams of hydrogen by electrolysis.

3.393  kilo watt hours =  12,214,800 joules

9.8 joules to lift 1 kilogram 1 meter

9.8 x 1.2 Kg = 11.76 joules to lift 1.2 Kg 1 meter

11.6 joules x 600 meters = 6,960 joules

1.2 kilograms falling 600 meters = 6,960 joules

12,214,800  joules in (to produce 82 g of H) : 6,960 joules kinetic out = 1,755 to 1 ratio

1,755 x 600 = 1,053,000 meters of height to break even. ...654 miles

Water is 784 times more dense than air.

1,053,000 meters / 783 = 1,344 meters (4409 feet or  0.8351229 mile) of depth in water to break even, if electrolysis  of water can be done as efficiently at that depth and pressure, as it can be done at sea level.
                           
What is the volume of and buoyancy of what was 1 cu meter of hydrogen at sea level air pressure, once it is at a depth of 1,344 meters in water ?  ...... 13,141.22 kPa or 1905.97 psi

Given that the electrical energy input to do electrolysis is equal to the thermal energy produced in the electrolysis process plus the energy of combustion of the hydrogen ? (thermodynamic law) ...

Any energy acquired by rising of the hydrogen in atmosphere, due to gravity, is over unity.

Care to dispute this ?

You still need to bring the hydrogen up to 1 bar for sea level electrolysis.
I don't see how hydrolysis to 1 bar is giving enough lifting power to raise itself and then be burned, even at low losses.

If you find a way (I've recently heard some) to achieve cheap electrolysis at significant pressure, you may gain energy from the rise to the surface and then up a tall lift.

Don't tell the environmentalists though, because you'd just ending up heating the atmosphere more efficiently than a diesel truck

[stivep]

It is a simple answer. This forum is  under attack of few newbies  whose agenda is  unlikely theirs but their supervisors.
I should  have donate all of that money to this forum many years ago  and sign off.
Stefan would have some return from  his  voluntary activity  that is not easy to handle.
He is also paying for some Russian trolls to be able to  write here.

This forum   has a nice group of quite  talented thinkers.
Please understand  that Putin and his terrorists don't obey any language of peace and cooperation.
The only language they understand is  brutal force, restrictions, sanctions, closed doors and over 160 000 killed Russian troops  in Ukraine.
Today I'm likely the main target for them on this forum, - tomorrow  it will be  someone else.
Soviet Union - Russia was chapped  into pieces in 1990 and they  will   collapse again soon.
Unpleasant, smelly  collapsing economy  where  average income is ~$150 per month is the result of
Russian's: 
               "Let's see what they will do if we attack Ukraine."
and now it is:
                "Let's see what they will do if we attack this forum"

At best  for them will be : If I don't have anything on hand.
At worse : due to advanced technology Russia will collapse  faster ..
Dear Trolls  spray me with virus again, make me suffer.
Find  how much  of my story is a lie  
The decision is yours Stefan .
With all due respect

_{opinion expressed is my own.}
Wesley