Serious HES derivative project proposal

[bistander]

Hi Bistander,

I posted the link here yesterday but here it is again https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99028#msg99028
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Thanks Cadman,
That gif vector diagram is from: http://www.ece.umn.edu/users/riaz/animations/sinvec.html
posted by Listener192 back on page 10 or 11.
The other diagram is from SL and contains some images from WO 2018/134233 A2. The timing sequence shown on it I believe is SL's handiwork derived from description found on pages 17 & 18 of the WO document. So I read that again, and it does appear to excite the coils only North or only South. And has the 4 North coils sequenced for an 8 second period then followed by an 8 second off period. To me, it's unclear how this produces a "rolling" or traveling magnetic flux "wave" similar to the RMF found in 3-phase machines. The patent refers to pulsing flux. But it is what it is.
Also I noticed when I read the next page or two, Holcomb described using a frequency generator and PLC to fire the sequencing fet's.
bi

[Dog-One]

I'll have to study this some more.  Something is not quite making sense.

There are eight timing intervals for a complete cycle.  We have a positive
polarity or off.  The other choice is we have a positive polarity or a negative
polarity.  I see nothing to indicate we can have positive, negative and off
all within a single cycle.  If that be the case, then my driver should work
just fine for this application.

To me, it's unclear how this produces a "rolling" or traveling magnetic flux "wave" similar to the RMF found in 3-phase machines. The patent refers to pulsing flux. But it is what it is.

The way I see this is each coil that is energized adds to the total flux
saturation in that region.

Single Polarity:
All off -- 0%
One on, three off -- 25%
Two on, two off, 50%
Three on, one off, 75%
All four on, 100%

For bipolar it's this way:
All negative -- 100% S-N
Three negative, one positive -- 50% S-N
Two negative, two positive -- 0%
One negative, three positive -- 50% N-S
All positive -- 100% N-S

The degree of regional flux saturation is what mimics the rotor position
relative to the stator poles.  That's my thinking anyway.

[Cadman]

Hi guys,

Watch this gif animation here. It's important.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98977#msg98977
This one    Bf-ZXmid-Cont_HES_LinGen_4Coil-ST37_4msON-Time_1ms_SeqLO_01.gif


SL's Lingen is based on Holcomb's patent WO 2018134233 Fixed Planar Generator, which is designed for DC output and uses lap wound generating coils. The important aspect for our project is the method to produce that rolling wave excitation.

This Samung stator isn't lap wound and generates best with an alternating NS magnetic field.
We already know that simply pulsing the 'rotor' coils with a single polarity or NS isn't good enough.
The takeaway is that it will take an actual moving field to succeed.

Again WO 2018134233 Fixed Planar Generator does not use alternating NS excitation.

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Enter Patent 11336134B2 SOLID STATE MULTI-POLE AND UNI-POLE ELECTRIC GENERATOR ROTOR FOR AC / DC ELECTRIC GENERATORS

See SUMMARY, section 4
"and wires are wound around each salient pole piece such that when the wires of the plurality of salient pole pieces are sequentially excited by an excitation circuit , the salient pole pieces are energized to provide a moving polar magnetic field in the form of distinct magnetic poles as desired to accomplish power generation"

See DETAILED DESCRIPTION, section 18
"Pole circuits may be excited with a first polarity DC power current in a first cycle and the second polarity DC power current in a second cycle. The first and second cycles make up one AC cycle every 16.667 milliseconds in the case of a 60 Hz current ... The excitation wave progresses clockwise which distorts each pole as it is forming , which pushes the magnetic flux in a progressive clockwise fashion by the repelling flux of the preceding poles. This in effect constantly pushes discrete separated magnetic poles in a clockwise circular fashion ..."


This project will require, "a first polarity DC power current in a first cycle and the second polarity DC power current in a second cycle" and obviously a polarity change is performed between those two cycles. And that is why we need to introduce a polarity change in the timing diagram taken from patent WO 2018134233.

Again, this project is not to duplicate a HES generator of any kind. It only uses the HES method above to obtain a moving, 'rolling' excitation wave.

I hope it's all clear for everyone now

[bistander]

Hi guys,

Watch this gif animation here. It's important.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98977#msg98977
This one    Bf-ZXmid-Cont_HES_LinGen_4Coil-ST37_4msON-Time_1ms_SeqLO_01.gif


SL's Lingen is based on Holcomb's patent WO 2018134233 Fixed Planar Generator, which is designed for DC output and uses lap wound generating coils. The important aspect for our project is the method to produce that rolling wave excitation.

This Samung stator isn't lap wound and generates best with an alternating NS magnetic field.
We already know that simply pulsing the 'rotor' coils with a single polarity or NS isn't good enough.
The takeaway is that it will take an actual moving field to succeed.

Again WO 2018134233 Fixed Planar Generator does not use alternating NS excitation.

___________

Enter Patent 11336134B2 SOLID STATE MULTI-POLE AND UNI-POLE ELECTRIC GENERATOR ROTOR FOR AC / DC ELECTRIC GENERATORS

See SUMMARY, section 4
"and wires are wound around each salient pole piece such that when the wires of the plurality of salient pole pieces are sequentially excited by an excitation circuit , the salient pole pieces are energized to provide a moving polar magnetic field in the form of distinct magnetic poles as desired to accomplish power generation"

See DETAILED DESCRIPTION, section 18
"Pole circuits may be excited with a first polarity DC power current in a first cycle and the second polarity DC power current in a second cycle. The first and second cycles make up one AC cycle every 16.667 milliseconds in the case of a 60 Hz current ... The excitation wave progresses clockwise which distorts each pole as it is forming , which pushes the magnetic flux in a progressive clockwise fashion by the repelling flux of the preceding poles. This in effect constantly pushes discrete separated magnetic poles in a clockwise circular fashion ..."


This project will require, "a first polarity DC power current in a first cycle and the second polarity DC power current in a second cycle" and obviously a polarity change is performed between those two cycles. And that is why we need to introduce a polarity change in the timing diagram taken from patent WO 2018134233.

Again, this project is not to duplicate a HES generator of any kind. It only uses the HES method above to obtain a moving, 'rolling' excitation wave.

I hope it's all clear for everyone now

Hi Cadman,
Thanks for the last paragraph. I was thinking you were attempting to replicate Holcomb method in this regard.

Is it possible, or practical/feasible, to excite your 36 coil stator with a 3-phase source, like a VFD? I think you could connect the coils in such a way as to get a decent RMF.

Has anyone else noticed in those animations of flux on the LinGen, only half of the magnetic structure is shown?
bi

[kolbacict]

Rotation of the magnetic field in a three-phase stator on the screen of a kinescope from a TV.
This is much better than using an oscilloscope tube.
In this video, a sinusoidal current filtered from higher harmonics is fed to the stator.
https://youtu.be/WyXYwZmHzgo