Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!

[lumen]

As well many seem to be infatuated with flux linking and cutting. Yet here we have a magnetic field which curls around the conductor inducing it. The flux within the circular core does not appear to cut the conductor like a common generator nor does the flux link like a transformer.

The flux in a torroid coil will cross the center hole as the AC changes direction. The flux always is a loop and is forced to cross the center hole like a washer with a wire through the center hole, How can you flip the washer without cutting the wire?

[onepower]

lumen

The flux in a torroid coil will cross the center hole as the AC changes direction. The flux always is a loop and is forced to cross the center hole like a washer with a wire through the center hole, How can you flip the washer without curring the wire?

Interesting take on it but no.

The current and flux increase to a maximum, decrease to zero, then increase to a maximum in the opposite direction. Similar to a Sine wave, increase to max (+)>>>decrease to 0>>> increase to max (-), repeat.

Which begs the question, if the magnetic field can supposedly only expand and contract within the core then how did the conductor at the center get induced?. Here is the thing, no real expert believes the field is confined to the core only amateurs listening to hearsay.

Hey, let's try asking an expert like ChatGPT...
Question, is all the magnetic field confined to a toroid coil with a core or just part of it?.

In a toroid coil with a magnetic core, while the core does indeed concentrate and enhance the magnetic field, it doesn't confine the entire magnetic field exclusively within the core.

In reality, a portion of the magnetic field still extends outside the core and into the surrounding space. The core's purpose is to enhance the magnetic field strength within the core itself and to guide the magnetic flux, but some field lines will still extend beyond the core's boundaries.

Hey we could be onto something let's try something else...
Question, can a magnetic field expanding into a conductor induce an electron current?.

Yes, when a magnetic field expands or changes within a conductor, it can induce an electron current. This phenomenon is known as electromagnetic induction and is one of the fundamental principles of electromagnetism discovered by Michael Faraday.

Nice, now how about...
Question, so the magnetic field does not have to cut the conductor but can expand into it?

Yes, that's correct. The magnetic field doesn't necessarily have to physically cut through the conductor to induce an electric current. Even if the magnetic field expands or changes near a conductor without directly intersecting it, it can still induce an electric current in the conductor.

Well, damn that was easy and my mind is absolutely racing with all the possibilities of what we just learned. That versus the mind numbing dogma of others peddling nonsense not based on facts.

Hey, let's try something different, something creative and interesting for a change...
Question, So if a magnetic field can expand into a conductor could it also displace an external magnetic field already within the conductor?

Yes, a changing external magnetic field can induce currents within a conductor that can, in turn, affect the distribution of the internal magnetic field.

Wait, what?... so if a magnetic field like the Earths or a nearby PM was already influencing a large conductor and we effected the distribution of the existing magnetic field within said conductor with our own magnetic field in some way then...

AC

[lancaIV]

Probably as roto-r-verter ,coupling

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20031204&CC=US&NR=2003222512A1&KC=A1#
with

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=26&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19990930&CC=DE&NR=19741256A1&KC=A1#

[tinman]

Tinman
Okay I see where your going, you seem to have a problem with the depiction of the magnets on the rotor. Since there are no magnetic mono poles and the flux loop in the core is in one direction what did you think was happening?.

The direction of the flux in the core tells us everything we need to know and we could draw a kitchen sink in place of the magnets for all it's worth. I knew immediately what the author was trying to describe based on the direction of flux in the core and the left hand rule for electron flow/flux curl.

It's not a standard alternator setup in my opinion because most people claimed that all the flux is contained within the toroidal core and cannot induce a conductor in the center. Now they should understand that it could be a circular solenoid coil, a closed or open toroidal coil or simply a magnet moving between a C shaped iron core. As I said, "the only requirement is that a changing flux curls around the conductor to be induced".  There could be thousands of possible designs and variations on this theme.

As well many seem to be infatuated with flux linking and cutting. Yet here we have a magnetic field which curls around the conductor inducing it. The flux within the circular core does not appear to cut the conductor like a common generator nor does the flux link like a transformer.

AC

Ok, i will try once again.

As depicted in the images from that website, the alternator will not produce a current flow.
You do not need a monopole magnet to have a single field entering both ends of the core. You simply need either the north or south end of a long magnet between the core at one time. And this is not a toroid, as the magnetic path is broken.

And in the case of the toroid example you posted, where the secondary loop passes through the toroid transformer, and produces a current flow in the loosely coupled secondary winding--that current is produced by the electric field around the toroid, not the magnetic field within the toroid.

So it is plain and simple.
1- if only a north or south field is present in the core, no current will flow through the coil.
2- if a north field enters one end of the core, and a south field enters the other end at the same time, then a current will flow through the coil. If you wanted to make this version of alternator more efficient, you would drill a hole through the cores, and pass the windings through the hole, rather than have the loosely coupled windings sitting where they are.

[SolarLab]

Tinman
It's best to start logically breaking the problem down into first principals.

1)We know the generator in question works as claimed because it was replicated in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8weP9Cpphw
1968 The Generator You Have Never Heard Of - Transverse Flux
A working replication/experiment is the best proof, it works and we can leave it at that.

2)You are correct in implying that the optimal design would use North and South pole magnets on either side of the disk. In fact conventional transverse flux generators do exactly that as shown in the picture below. However, optimized or not the question we want answered is only how and why it works. What I see in the responses are not answers rather guesses or distractions from the actual cause and effect in my opinion.

3)From the statements above we know the concept works and the only requirement is that a changing flux curls around the conductor to be induced. Here we could introduce a new concept so simple it's hard to imagine how anyone could miss it. Let's go back to the left hand rule for electron flow in a conductor as shown below.

The left hand rule shows the magnetic field curling around the conductor clockwise (the fingers) if the electron current was moving through the conductor towards us(the thumb). Likewise, if a process was reversible then the opposite should be true. That is, if we produced a changing magnetic field which curls around a conductor (the fingers) then an electron current should be induced in the conductor (the thumb). In fact this is exactly what we see in the transverse flux generator but for some reason most people cannot put two and two together. It's a very simple concept, it's right there staring at everyone and yet it eludes many, why is that?.

Here's a clue, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYpz9ak34e0
I took a snapshot shown below. Now if the magnetic flux is supposedly enclosed within the core of a toroidal core then how was the thick conductor through the toroid center induced with an electron current which then acted on the magnet inside the conductor loop?. In fact the principal is no different that the transverse flux generator. Whenever a changing magnetic field curls around a conductor in a core an electron current is induced in said conductor within the core.

In fact what was shown here only scratches the surface and it gets even more bizarre on many different levels as we learn new concepts...

AC

All,

Just a quick note here - the "Right Hand Rule" does not apply here (Transverse Flux); it uses the "Co-Energy principle."

This was also discussed in the "LinGen development analysis"

Here's an interesting (Penn State Dissertation) Video that briefly touches on co-energy as well (at 3:10 - 3:14):

Transverse Flux Motor - Video #35096
https://altoona.psu.edu/video/35096/2020/12/14/transverse-flux-motor

SL