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apecore

Quote from: stivep on April 09, 2023, 08:11:43 AM
velocity inhibiting circuit  is presented here in regards  to Power multiplication:





This discussion here  as giving a lot of light on Tariel Kapanadze -the originator of the concept is absolutely
needed and educational.Grenade coil- is a form of CW, CCW left, right winding used by Tariel to  achieve  tremendously
lower  primary resonance frequency of a coil that is
electrically long - making it physically short.- means less wire used.
(normally  the shorter is the coil the higher is its resonant frequency) But we want less winds and lower F of  resonance.


Hi Wesley,
I want to short comment  on your quote, neither I do misunderstand something about the grenade coil or we have a challenge.

Many times there is stated that the grenade coil should be low inductance, this results in higher resonance frequency.
As I stated before in this thread I ve wounded every possible grenade configuration as possible and I can garanty you you wil not find one running LOWER than 500khz.( correction made)

I am curious how these low frequency come in play?


Ape

Dog-One

Quote from: stivep on April 09, 2023, 08:11:43 AM
velocity inhibiting circuit  is presented here in regards  to Power multiplication:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060190512A1/en

This discussion here  as giving a lot of light on Tariel Kapanadze -the originator of the concept is absolutely
needed and educational.Grenade coil- is a form of CW, CCW left, right winding used by Tariel to  achieve  tremendously
lower  primary resonance frequency of a coil that is electrically long - making it physically short.- means less wire used.
(normally  the shorter is the coil the higher is its resonant frequency) But we want less winds and lower F of  resonance.

This mechanism is presented here :
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9d/2b/2a/fa977b9aae1691/US4751515.pdf
note: the wording in the patent may sound confusing  to some you- if so than ask me a question please
Yes this is : the same Dr James Corum.

Importance of that is  because it explains why  Tariel Kpanadze coil and than SR coil, and than Akula coil and than Ruslan coil  is winded similar.
the main goal is  to use as low  as possible frequency  at best  17kHz. ( and  not lose on  miles of  huge resistance of wire affecting Q)- despite its XL and coil XC
the closer you are to Schumann  higher harmonics the  lower are the  losses in  energy conversion  from naturally available  waveguide.
That what you all possibly  don't think about is that  that energy in  Kapanadze  devices had to originate somewhere and be converted to electrical energy in his device.
And that is why no one from you replicated it - apart from the few who  prefer to stay silent.
for DC to give battery  longer life: https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/how-many-turns-should-i-wind-on-a-coil.174331/
but the same  applies to impedance match in AC circuits where standard is 50 OHm

Thank you Wesley for the valuable information.  I was positive you
knew things that were vital for this project and you indeed confirmed
my suspicions.  What I did not expect is for you to openly post the
relevant information so freely.  Has something changed?  As in this
information can no longer cause any harm regardless of how it is used?
Or based on your bolded statement, is there still one more vital piece of
information necessary?  And if the latter is true, can you at least
provide a hint as to where to look for this unacknowledged energy
source?  I would assume this source is not available to many based
on locality.  True statement?

stivep

Quote from: apecore on April 09, 2023, 11:03:22 AM
Hi Wesley,
I want to short comment  on your quote, neither I do misunderstand something about the grenade coil or we have a challenge.
Many times there is stated that the grenade coil should be low inductance, this results in higher resonance frequency.
As I stated before in this thread I ve wounded every possible grenade configuration as possible and I can garanty you you wil not find one running at 500khz.
I am curious how these low frequency come in play?
Ape
in patent:
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f9/26/ff/80f95d39e71d9f/US20060190512A1.pdf
fig.8. was taken as the basis for Viziv top capacitor.
So (https://overunity.com/Themes/default/images/icons/clip.gif) Viziv UMBRELLA  element.jpg
from https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg526673/#msg526673
was an addition to the Tesla Coil.

As we know Tesla coil is the Air Transformer  and needs  "excessive" number of winds to resonate at low Frequency
however Dr Corum  goal was 17kHz and he did it.
The general rule is: The lower the better. ( less of losses)

Kapanadze grenade coil is also Air Transformer  but the same Dr Corum shows how to make it physically small in his patent.
In Aquarium of Kapanadze we  can count sparks and that's remarkable.
We  may assume that Tariel Kapanadze superior  design was far more advanced than design of Dr Corum although Corum says exactly the same
About winding of a coil. ( of course Tariel was uneducated experimenter  likely using achievement of few Russian scientists who miraculous "disappeared"
after contacts with him) - source of this information is known to me and is absolutely certain.
It is worth nothing ( idiom https://grammarhow.com/worth-noting/ ) that:
-Kapanadze wanted to sale and not explain e.g TMZ in Turkey
-Dr Corum  wanted to earn and for that  he was in must to explain - not touching nor alluding to   Energy  Extraction but only Energy transfer.

For energy transfer  Tx coil acting as antenna must be vertical.
In big installations ( Tent -Kapanadze and Glass table ) all coils were  vertical.
Presentation on Remote Island was associated with notion that during  it - the lights in coastal restaurant hotel (across the water) where Tariel crew resided  dimmed and flickered significantly.
- source of this information is known to me and is absolutely certain.
That could indicate   phenomena directly  related to Energy Transfer from A to B  of Dr Corum.

In my own experiments I found that one can't achieve energy extraction from Schumann waveguide without number of successful   
tries (experience) in  energy transfer from A to B.
So one may think that  Kapanadze phenomenon was  just in his  mastery of sending energy  using  Earth/ Air interface but not in  Energy Extraction from unexplained by him source.
Tariel couldn't explain it, as his agenda was to explain nothing and make money -  in time when he was sober  as an alcoholic, and  an architect "by trade"( idiom)
I would gladly tell you who has full knowledge about Kapanadze  technology( means how to do it so it works,  but not why it works .
- however this is against my own interest (personally  important to me ).
I'm and idea man not money man for sure and he must be safe  from "some" Russians.

_______________________________________________________________
coming back to Grenade coil:

from patent-
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f9/26/ff/80f95d39e71d9f/US20060190512A1.pdf
important is:  pi network, T network, nonlinear elements and lumped  elements, directional coupler , eventually toroidal helix
All of it is in Kapanadze device  so is in SR, Akula, Ruslan, and so on.

0044
Quote lumped-elements// diodes, transistors, and other semi-conductors // nonlinear resistors or conductors that have resistance or
conductance that is controlled by the polarity of applied Voltages or currents, etc. inherent capacitances, inductances, resistances, or conductances of
various electrical structures Such as helices, parallel plates
0060
Quotefor example, a Switch, relay, Solid state Switch, plasma Switch,
in Kapanadze we have spark gap.
0065
Quotevelocity factors that are on the order of 1/1,000,000,although even
smaller velocity factors may be achieved.
From patent- https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9d/2b/2a/fa977b9aae1691/US4751515.pdf
Important is:

The core of an invention is here:
Page1
QuoteAn important element of the invention is that the path inhibit propagation, thereby creating slow waves, and provide
an electromagnetically closed path so that a standing inhibited-velocity wave, meaning resonant operation,
can be established in response to the flow of an electrical current through the path.
page7.(left hand side)
Quotethe overall dimension of the antenna at the primary resonance frequency will be less than one thirtieth of a free-space
wavelength, making it electrically small. //in addition to the advantage of remarkably small electrical size, the invention enables
simple achievement of special electromagnetic radiation properties not previously obtainable// In practice, the electrically conducting path of the
structure must be electromagnetically excited and some means of Supplying or extracting the energy must be provided 

Please note that wording: " physically small", "electrically small" my be misleading and should be understood intuitively :
-as small in size but at the same  time electrically
"large" enough to perform. Pitch of the helical path is mentioned in: page 7 left side.
and in
page 6 right side point 45 pitch of winding is explained.

page 2 right side point 65
Quoteplurality of toroidal conducting paths, the conducting paths have opposing senses, i.e., are contrawound. By
appropriately feeding the contrawound paths, an electrically small, self-resonant antenna providing purely vertically polarized radiation having an omnidirectional
radiation pattern may be realized. This is an especially important and useful achievement in the lower frequency
page 4 right side point 65 FIG. 18b is a perspective view of a prior art structure electrically equivalent to the contrawound helix of FIG. 18a.
Page 11 (left hand side) 
QuoteWhen the windings are fed at terminals AA, in the middle of the phasing bars,
the currents flow in opposite directions in the windings and the field produced by one of the electric current
loops is reversed with respect to the other //  two windings  180 out of phase  cancel. As a result, a
vertically polarized field in the horizontal plane is produced.
Page 13, point 35.Contrawound Embodiments.
Quotemultifilar helical embodiments //achieve extremely important results.
point 40,41. 50
Quote , when two or more helical paths on a toroidal form have opposite senses,
the paths repeatedly cross. Structures with multiple paths having opposite senses or its electrical equivalent
are referred to here as being  // contrawound slow wave structures
Page 18, point 5
QuoteThe ends of each "half loop' are in electrical contact with the earth
Page 18, point 15
QuoteSuch large antennas are still electrically small and efficient. Therefore they offer great promise in the
lower frequency ranges such as the extra low frequency (ELF) range.//frequencies in that
range deeply penetrate sea water enabling reliable communication transmissions to submerged submarines.
Page 18, point 45, 50
Quoteit could be even smaller than 0.003 free space wavelengths, with no sacrifice in directive gain
Quote. My conclusion is based on measurements of a structure according to the invention having a resonant frequency at 138KHz and a resistive feedpoint impedance of 900 ohms at
that resonance. The maximum overall dimension of this embodiment was 0.007 free space wavelengths at the resonance frequency.
point 65// described in two articles by Schumann in1952,
Page 10, point 40, 50,
Quotediameters: a=12 feet=3.66 m. b=9.7 feet=2.96 m.
N = 120 turns  FIG. 9.The resonant frequency was 339 kHz at an impedance of approximately 9100 ohms. At the measured resonant
frequency, the maximum dimension of the antenna is about 0.015 free-space wavelengths.
Activation of  the antenna* tesla coil or Granade coil is shown here:
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=983
Summary :
So CW CCW , bifilar, left right Technique  is used by Tariel Kapanadze and others  to have low  frequency of resonance  but only in 
association to the  reactive capacitance that can be  created in pi or T networks . The frequency  of such structure can go lower than 17kHz.
but you are absolutely right - the grenade coil  by itself  unlikely goes  below 300kHz.

Testing A to B energy transfer on   water air interface.  can be  even achieved at 1.8Mhz but 138kHz is great.
And that is a gold mine to become  if not quickly wealthy than  well.. definitely rewarded  especially in  situation in Ukraine today.
Strangely  enough in the war zone patent rights  are of the last priority and inventor may end up like Marconi many years after that.
Tests in Poland at the fairly quiet part of Baltic sea  surface, were completed  recently by  the crew there .
I have no experience with Black Sea but we anticipate it will be much better.
The "fist" experiments were performed in Costa Rica by me  few years ago.

-none of them  will ever deal it with "Russians" there ... for sure !! 

opinion expressed is my own

Wesley

SolarLab


apecore

Quote from: stivep on April 09, 2023, 03:55:31 PM
in patent:
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f9/26/ff/80f95d39e71d9f/US20060190512A1.pdf
fig.8. was taken as the basis for Viziv top capacitor.
So (https://overunity.com/Themes/default/images/icons/clip.gif) Viziv UMBRELLA  element.jpg
from https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg526673/#msg526673
was an addition to the Tesla Coil.

As we know Tesla coil is the Air Transformer  and needs  "excessive" number of winds to resonate at low Frequency
however Dr Corum  goal was 17kHz and he did it.
The general rule is: The lower the better. ( less of losses)

Kapanadze grenade coil is also Air Transformer  but the same Dr Corum shows how to make it physically small in his patent.
In Aquarium of Kapanadze we  can count sparks and that's remarkable.
We  may assume that Tariel Kapanadze superior  design was far more advanced than design of Dr Corum although Corum says exactly the same
About winding of a coil. ( of course Tariel was uneducated experimenter  likely using achievement of few Russian scientists who miraculous "disappeared"
after contacts with him) - source of this information is known to me and is absolutely certain.
It is worth nothing ( idiom https://grammarhow.com/worth-noting/ ) that:
-Kapanadze wanted to sale and not explain e.g TMZ in Turkey
-Dr Corum  wanted to earn and for that  he was in must to explain - not touching nor alluding to   Energy  Extraction but only Energy transfer.

For energy transfer  Tx coil acting as antenna must be vertical.
In big installations ( Tent -Kapanadze and Glass table ) all coils were  vertical.
Presentation on Remote Island was associated with notion that during  it - the lights in coastal restaurant hotel (across the water) where Tariel crew resided  dimmed and flickered significantly.
- source of this information is known to me and is absolutely certain.
That could indicate   phenomena directly  related to Energy Transfer from A to B  of Dr Corum.

In my own experiments I found that one can't achieve energy extraction from Schumann waveguide without number of successful   
tries (experience) in  energy transfer from A to B.
So one may think that  Kapanadze phenomenon was  just in his  mastery of sending energy  using  Earth/ Air interface but not in  Energy Extraction from unexplained by him source.
Tariel couldn't explain it, as his agenda was to explain nothing and make money -  in time when he was sober  as an alcoholic, and  an architect "by trade"( idiom)
I would gladly tell you who has full knowledge about Kapanadze  technology( means how to do it so it works,  but not why it works .
- however this is against my own interest (personally  important to me ).
I'm and idea man not money man for sure and he must be safe  from "some" Russians.

_______________________________________________________________
coming back to Grenade coil:

from patent-
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f9/26/ff/80f95d39e71d9f/US20060190512A1.pdf
important is:  pi network, T network, nonlinear elements and lumped  elements, directional coupler , eventually toroidal helix
All of it is in Kapanadze device  so is in SR, Akula, Ruslan, and so on.

0044
0060in Kapanadze we have spark gap.
0065 From patent- https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9d/2b/2a/fa977b9aae1691/US4751515.pdf
Important is:

The core of an invention is here:
Page1page7.(left hand side)
Please note that wording: " physically small", "electrically small" my be misleading and should be understood intuitively :
-as small in size but at the same  time electrically
"large" enough to perform. Pitch of the helical path is mentioned in: page 7 left side.
and in
page 6 right side point 45 pitch of winding is explained.

page 2 right side point 65 page 4 right side point 65 FIG. 18b is a perspective view of a prior art structure electrically equivalent to the contrawound helix of FIG. 18a.
Page 11 (left hand side) 
Page 13, point 35.Contrawound Embodiments.point 40,41. 50Page 18, point 5 Page 18, point 15
Page 18, point 45, 50Page 10, point 40, 50,Activation of  the antenna* tesla coil or Granade coil is shown here:
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=983
Summary :
So CW CCW , bifilar, left right Technique  is used by Tariel Kapanadze and others  to have low  frequency of resonance  but only in 
association to the  reactive capacitance that can be  created in pi or T networks . The frequency  of such structure can go lower than 17kHz.
but you are absolutely right - the grenade coil  by itself  unlikely goes  below 300kHz.

Testing A to B energy transfer on   water air interface.  can be  even achieved at 1.8Mhz but 138kHz is great.
And that is a gold mine to become  if not quickly wealthy than  well.. definitely rewarded  especially in  situation in Ukraine today.
Strangely  enough in the war zone patent rights  are of the last priority and inventor may end up like Marconi many years after that.
Tests in Poland at the fairly quiet part of Baltic sea  surface, were completed  recently by  the crew there .
I have no experience with Black Sea but we anticipate it will be much better.
The "fist" experiments were performed in Costa Rica by me  few years ago.

-none of them  will ever deal it with "Russians" there ... for sure !! 

opinion expressed is my own

Wesley

Thank you Wesley for the valuable information.