The argument for pepetual motion

[rakarskiy]

Muammer Yulduz is a Turkish inventor who claims to have invented a magnetic motor that can produce free energy. He demonstrated a working model of his magnetic motor at the International Inventors Exhibition in Geneva in 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNq-ocTM9nM&t=515s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5K_wB-xsuM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBXQpmgaJCY&t=330s

What is claimed is not proven! The question is what is proven and how it should be proven. Demonstration at the Geneva exhibition in 2013 is not proof, or for proof it is necessary to disclose the features of the technology to all kinds of moronic experts working for the system.

In June 2019 there was an attempted online broadcast of the inventor's fully autonomous magnetic motor driven electric generator. The broadcast lasted just under seven hours. The system reacted instantly. Two frightened organizers, with frightened eyes told about the breakdown, promised that it would be soon and evaporated from the information field.  The repeated demonstration was closed.

Today the website of the company from Turkey has already disappeared.

The problem is not the evidence, but the business interests of a bunch of (...) who have the real power to control the energy market.

https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2020/03/blog-post.html

A magnetic motor is not a "perpetual motion machine", it has a cost and a resource that fuel sellers don't like.

[lancaIV]

OMaG ! a=atheistic 
A. clean/dirty water has nothing in relation with ' perpetuum motion' !

Here,an indian solution,30 Rupees ~ 0,37 US$,for 100 lt. each filter  :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9tqVIb4cls
Compared https://alj.com/en/perspective/j-wafs-in-action-providing-safe-drinking-water-through-wood/
and

https://sanakvo.org/

Something bigger ,cloud/air  humidity trap :
https://airhes.com/

What will/can the thursty individual do to get drinkable,healthy,water ?
From the fiction movie ' Dune' and the water recycling distill suit to the U.S.S.R. space-ship MIR the 100%
water recycling system ,
similar https://www.jugend-forscht.de/projektdatenbank/computergesteuerte-abwasserreinigung.html


to 'pee to potable water '-projects :

https://www.google.com/search?q=urin+zu+trinkwasser&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
https://www.philstar.com/business/business-as-usual/2002/08/05/170909/drinking-water-toilet
2002 prices below,2023 ?

https://www.google.com/search?q=philippine+peso+to+usd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

Given economies of scale, the bigger the system and the more its client base, the lower the cost per cubic meter of iodized water. Based on Labuntog's calculations, a 100 cu.m. plant can sell its water to clients at P26/cu.m. while a 1,200 cu.m. plant can sell at P8/cu.m. In comparison, Maynilad Water Services Inc. charges P27/cu.m. and Manila Water Co. charges P14/cu.m. Disgust versus body-survival !

1,200 cu.m. plant can sell at P8/cu.m.
https://exchangerates.org/usd/php/in-2002

An 1 cbm per day private household greywater to whitewater  recycling Labuntog system costs ,2023 ?
In situ near/net/off grid zero energy and near/net/off grid zero water building : autonomous !

B.the ' free' in ' free energy' has nothing to do with financial aspects !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbs_free_energy
'free' means physics-chemically : in the atomic structure temporary UNBONDED !
  With less understanding mistake/risc : non-/valent energy

It is a short micro-/nano-/femto seconds phase : recombination time ! Exciton !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exciton
Clearly there are (investment/construction) costs in energy trapping/converting/trans-/forming/ducing devices !
Costs,non-/financial : time,new/used/scratch material,transformation tools,thinking,skills

C. the ' perpetuum mobile ' versus atomic/nuclear decay time !
     This is Becquerel/ Curie ' radio-activity' era ,
      long after the royal french Academy their non-axiomatic thesis !

And by the academic members Earth-shadow limitation view-point ,without orbital 24/365 sun radi-ation/o-activity !
Orbital solar-farms,24/365 in work modus  !

     The Academy their members and royal ranking  f.e.
     
     Ampere : Duke/Duque/Herzog,also  Laplace: Duke/Duque/Herzog
    =  beside royal academy membership,making part from the royal crown-council !
     In the 18./19. century untouchable ( excluding : Marie-Antoinette and Louis XVI 'touching' scandal),     the royal french/ several royal european academies their ' scientifical'  views and decisions !

D. " perpetuum (radio-) activity " and AlNiCo(balt),Samarium,Neodymium ,
Lanthaniden,comercially also called " Rare Earths (minerals) " ,     



    wmbr
    OC

[hartiberlin]

It is very unfortunate that

-Magnetic motors do not work as self powered

Wesley, why do you write this over here ??
It is a free energy research Forum !!!
Would you like to loose again your moderator status ??

[onepower]

stivep

It is very unfortunate that -Energy can not be created nor destroyed,

I think the opposite is true.
Since energy is constant or perpetual and cannot be created or destroyed all we need be concerned with is how to transform it.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed only change the form it takes. If we can control which form it takes and when then we control the energy in the system.

It is very unfortunate that -Magnetic motors do not work as self powered

I think what you meant to say is that you don't understand how it could work. Which is okay because many people don't understand how some things work.

The problem is when some people confuse there own lack of understanding as proof of something. It's a common fallacy and has nothing to do with science but more so our ego. As if to claim nobody can be smarter than us despite the fact other people are always learning new things and doing new things we cannot understand.

I like this quote...
"The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge" - Elbert Hubbard

AC

[rakarskiy]

Эenergy is too broad a concept, even in physics: Potential, explosion, electric field, etc.

Let's take for example the concept of "magnetic field energy".

The energy of a magnetic field is proportional to the inductance (strength, other attributes) and the square of the current magnitude. During the transient process, when the current in the circuit is slowly increasing when switched on, magnetic energy is stored. This energy can be used to do work.

https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/emf-and-current-in-conductor.html

Okay, then how do we define the "magnetic field energy" of a permanent magnet?

A permanent magnet is a product made of magnetically hard material with high "residual" magnetic induction that retains its state of magnetization for a long time. Permanent magnets are made in various shapes and are used as autonomous (non-energy consuming) sources of magnetic field.

(I like this definition most of all, with the only clarification, not residual magnetization, but a running process of generation of magnetic flux. which tends to close in the Anapole state).

If we take an electric circuit, all the actions in the circuit of an electric circuit can be compared as a constant work of electromagnetic, magnetic or electric fields. If there are no vortex fields electric and magnetic around the conductor, there is no what we are looking for.

The electric circuit, electric field can not be attributed to the concept of "Eternal", but "permanent magnet" can be attributed to the system of magnetic field generator "overunity".