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The argument for pepetual motion

Started by onepower, July 08, 2023, 07:08:30 PM

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onepower

As well, a real definition which actually describes the thing it's supposed to opens up other concepts...

QuoteMy definition would be...
A permanent magnet is a material in which some of the electron spins have been permanently aligned in one direction. The charge of the electron moving in a circle produces a magnetic field at right angles to the path of the charge. Since the path of the electron charge is locked in place so is the magnetic field producing a permanent magnetic field. In theory, any material could become a permanent magnet so long as the electron spins could locked in place and the individual magnetic fields coordinated to act in one direction.

In this definition we can see that the only requirement to produce a magnetic field is that some charges move. A coil uses an electron current to move some charge in a circle while a permanent magnet locks the electron spins in place to move charge in a circle. If fact there is no real difference between a superconductor coil and a permanent magnet. Both reduce the resistance of the moving electrons so the magnetic field supposedly becomes permanent.

Here's a thought, why does everyone have a meltdown when I say "perpetual motion" but they think nothing of calling a magnet "permanent"?. In fact, perpetual and permanent mean the same thing so why all the drama?. Why do they have two different sets of rules for how they define something?. Maybe we should start calling FE devices "Permanent motion machines" which nobody seems to have a problem with. This is why it's important to look past all the false beliefs, false narratives and biases.

So we need to be clear the only requirement to produce a magnetic field is a moving charge usually attached to a charge carrier like a Proton or Electron. This is a First Principal which supersedes all other effects or concepts. Moving charges producing magnetic fields is the foundation on which everything else is built.

AC




stivep

There are speculations and there is   science standing  point based on models.
Forum forced  policy doesn't reflect stated above.
When drifting to the left or right  is done on the same highway of the  one way  road ,you  still are going to arrive
at the same destination point  my friends.
Unless you build the new cross section and new desired destination.
Little of the new light was posted   here:
https://overunity.com/18188/iec-earth-engine-first-magnet-motor-installed-in-las-vegas/msg580323/#msg580323
However it  doesn't go against  physics models  -it only introduces new  not  available yet till now   way to deal with  magnetism
although I was researching it  for quite  few years .
Wesley

kolbacict

Quote from: onepower on July 18, 2023, 11:05:19 AM
In this definition we can see that the only requirement to produce a magnetic field is that some charges move. A coil uses an electron current to move some charge in a circle while a permanent magnet locks the electron spins in place to move charge in a circle. If fact there is no real difference between a superconductor coil and a permanent magnet. Both reduce the resistance of the moving electrons so the magnetic field supposedly becomes permanent.

Therefore, the permanent magnet  is the key to understanding and the creation of high-temperature superconductors ?  ;)

stivep

#1
Quote from: onepower on July 18, 2023, 11:05:19 AM
A coil uses an electron current to move some charge in a circle while a permanent magnet locks the electron spins in place to move charge in a circle.


Partial answer:
Magnetic Field:   is the region around a magnetic material or a moving
                                  electric charge within which the force of magnetism acts.

Magnetic force:   is the attractive or repulsive force that is exerted between the poles
                                   of a magnet and electrically charged moving particles
.
Electric force:      is the interaction of either attractive force or repulsive force between two charged bodies.
Charged particle:is e.g. an atomic particle with a positive or negative charge, -  as an electron, or an ion,
                                   such as a molecule or atom with a surplus or deficit of electrons. Charged particles emit electromagnetic radiation
                                   when they are accelerated. Electrons have low mass and experience greater accelerations than heavier particles.


Difference between forces:

Electric forces are the forces that occur due to electric charges whereas magnetic forces are the forces that occur due to magnetic dipoles.
magnetic dipole, is generally a tiny magnet of microscopic to subatomic dimensions, equivalent to a flow of electric charge around a loop.
When a charged particle moves perpendicular to a magnetic field, it experiences a force that causes it to travel in a circular path

So your statement should sound:
Reg #1: Magnetic field (in coil and in permanent magnet) only affects moving charge if that charge is moving perpendicular to a magnetic field.
________________________________________________________
second part of Partial answer:
#2
Quote from: onepower on July 18, 2023, 11:05:19 AM
If fact there is no real difference between a superconductor coil and a permanent magnet.
Both reduce the resistance of the moving electrons so the magnetic field supposedly becomes permanent.
AC
A superconductor: is a substance/material that conducts electricity without resistance when it becomes colder than a "critical temperature.
Superconductivity: is the flow of charged particles through a material without resistance... (zero resistance)

The magnetic field is excluded from the superconductor,
causing it to levitate and providing a perfect magnetic shield. (internal or external,  due to the Meissner effect,)
But if we fix-position of superconductor than  magnet on the top of it will levitate.
QuoteOne of the fundamental properties of a superconductor is that it "hates" magnetic fields.
If a scientist applies a magnetic field, the superconductor creates its own equal and opposite magnetic field.
https://www.anl.gov/article/the-magnetismand-mysteryof-superconductors
Mica is high temperature  superconducting material ( above 77 K (−196.2 °C; −321.1 °F) but brakes  when bend (  flakes off in pieces when scratched with a fingernail.)
so thin film with deposited mica is used for  superconducting coils. (metal foil and mica are the most used "flexible" substrates
)

So your statement should sound:
Reg #2:
superconductor "hates" magnetic fields and when  temperature changes to  higher it stops being one.
it is the flow of charged particles through a material without resistance.
But magnetic field from both the magnet and superconductor  deflects charged particles, in the same manner.
Wesley

stivep

The most shocking answers:
#1
The honest answer is we do not know what a magnetic field is.
What we do know is that a Magnet field is generated by the motion of electrostatic charges
within the the magnet itself. The electric charges being electrons.
https://www.quora.com/Does-a-static-electric-field-interact-with-a-magnetic-field
#2
A  magnetic field  is a essentially a cloud of virtual photon "place-holders" in a state of flux;
it's what the electrons that produce the field "owe" to other nearby electrons (which have gained real photons),
for having their spin-charge moments aligned in the same direction.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/30517/what-are-electromagnetic-fields-made-of

Wesley