Lifters are worthless

[Pseudoscience]

Lifters don't work in a vacuum, so they are not anti-gravity, they clearly need the "air" to work which makes them similar to ion engines.

Has anyone considered that lifters may work in a vacuum but actually need air in the gap between the wire and foil?

Has a test with this setup been tried at all?

[triffid]

I think a valid lifter design could include a propellar as long as it could lift it's own power supply too.My friend thought including a propellar would be "cheating",But I think not since it could be all electric.And not have to carry any liquid fuel.Triffid

[flathunter]

As far as I can see, the thrust of assymetrical capacitors is clearly not solely due to ion wind or pressure differentials caused by their shape. Naudins poynting flow thruster eliminates both these explanations, and provides 2770 RPM at 99 microamps.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/pftm2.htm

I made the same thing using 2 cans of kronenburg, the plastic container from a kinder surprise with a piece of foil glued inside.  Even at 10 KV, the motor spins vigourously, and there sure aint any wind pushing it round!  It has really been bothering me for months now WHAT force could be responsible for this, and as far as I can see, Naudins explanation seems the most promising. 

Does anyone have any other explanations for the force thats driving this motor?

id be very very interested to hear what others thought about this, especially those who have built the motor themselves.

So...

i dont reckon lifters are worthless, and i also think they'd work in space   

[Light]

Yes, I’ve tried. It’s really amazing effect (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JXBpf7Yi7g); but as to  make a flying device it seem not very effective (less effective than lifter), or we need a different, unusual setup.

[flathunter]

Its nice to hear others have tried.  And so what do you think is the explanation of the force in Naudins E-motor?  Do you agree its some sort of Poynting energy flow?

Did you also try a design where all 3 electrodes are free to rotate, and not just the centre?  I tried it, and the others did start moving, but it was hard to tell whether this was just cos they brushed against the centre electrode.

Thanks!